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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not true. The church has been providing medical services and care far longer than any government.
    Which matters how?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    Then can we stop giving money to planned paRentent hoOd as well?
    I was unaware PP claimed Religious Exemption.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Which allows the people to go elsewhere based on informed consent...and they would.
    People would have an option.... Government Care or Moral Care. Personally, I'll take Moral Care every time.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not true. The church has been providing medical services and care far longer than any government.
    I'm sorry, I must have worded that poorly because you mid-understood what I was saying.

    You can't have both Church and non-profit. Either the institution is a Church and falls under the rules and exceptions governing Churches or it's just one more non-profit organization out there and has nothing to do with the Church, which mean no special exceptions and no special rules.

    The government regularly provides money to various non-profits but should not provide money to Churches, because that would violate the separation between Church and State. So the Church needs to decide if it's hospitals are non-profits or if they're Churches.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    People would have an option.... Government Care or Moral Care. Personally, I'll take Moral Care every time.

    Have fun with that, when your care-giver decides your prescribed medication "violates" her/his conscience
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Agreed. However, once they stop taking government money, realize that they would be under no obligation to provide services they didn't want to, or to provide ANY services to people who were not capable of paying for them; if they so chose.
    They are already doing what they want to do with regard to services, or haven't you been following the conversation?

    Let them try to survive on their current business model without government money - and more power to them!
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    People would have an option.... Government Care or Moral Care. Personally, I'll take Moral Care every time.
    Jump on that and don't expect Medicare to pay for your Moral Care.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Have fun with that, when your care-giver decides your prescribed medication "violates" her/his conscience
    If it violates THEIRS, then there is a very high likelihood that it violates MINE as well, Somerville. My bigger problem is generally having care-givers refuse to accept the legal documents regarding my medical care because it severely limits what they can do for me in certain situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Let them try to survive on their current business model without government money - and more power to them!
    I think you might be very surprised to see how many of us Non-Catholics might just start taking our money to Catholic health-care facilities if they were run on a Moral basis rather than a financial one.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Jump on that and don't expect Medicare to pay for your Moral Care.
    I have already indicated several times around here that I will DIE before I will accept a single penny of government-paid-for healthcare.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Pp should get there money taken away cause it is a violation of Rowe v wade.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The government regularly provides money to various non-profits but should not provide money to Churches, because that would violate the separation between Church and State. So the Church needs to decide if it's hospitals are non-profits or if they're Churches.
    If the government is going to provide money to or on behalf of individuals for their health care (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid), those individuals should be able to choose their own health care provider. I'm not aware of government providing money directly to the church like they do to Planned Parenthood.

    Further, I don't think the government has any business telling me (or my insurer) what must be covered by the policy I buy. If I don't feel the need for coverage for sex change operations, drug rehabilitation, pregnancy, facelifts, etc. then I should be able to exclude them from the policy.
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