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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If they want government money then they need to leave the Bible at the door.
    If the government doesn't want their money going to Church-based hospitals, then I guess they should restrict the insured from seeking care in those facilities. Just because abortion is legal, and the government has deemed that people have a "right" to having their birth control or abortions funded, doesn't imply that Catholic or any other church-based hospital should have to provide those services. It's like saying that a children's hospital must provide services to adults, because adults have rights to health care.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If the government doesn't want their money going to Church-based hospitals, then I guess they should restrict the insured from seeking care in those facilities. Just because abortion is legal, and the government has deemed that people have a "right" to having their birth control or abortions funded, doesn't imply that Catholic or any other church-based hospital should have to provide those services. It's like saying that a children's hospital must provide services to adults, because adults have rights to health care.
    Well, there lies the problem. Either these hospitals are just plain, old-fashioned non-profits or they're CHURCH. You can't have both. If they're CHURCH then let's call it The Church and stop the government from funding The Church because that's not what OUR government it supposed to be doing.

    If it's just a common non-profit then it goes by the exact same rules as all the other non-profits out there and The Church never enters the equation.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see, so you just hold out your hand, obviously knowing more than Cardinal Dolan about what the inner workings of the Church are, and dismiss it outright as though you are the leader of the Church or something....YOUR OPINION that things like this would never happen, are directly refuted by the words of the leadership of the Church in America, and your answer is to just dismiss it?

    You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about.



    BTW, that part....YOU BOLDED! You don't even know what you post? Good God, why waste my time.


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    May be, that citing Cardinal Dolan on anything to do with morality is a mistake:

    Cardinal Authorized Paying Abusers (and lied about it)

    Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York authorized payments of as much as $20,000 to sexually abusive priests as an incentive for them to agree to dismissal from the priesthood when he was the archbishop of Milwaukee.

    Questioned at the time about the news that one particularly notorious pedophile cleric had been given a “payoff” to leave the priesthood, Cardinal Dolan, then the archbishop, responded that such an inference was “false, preposterous and unjust.”

    But a document unearthed during bankruptcy proceedings for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee and made public by victims’ advocates reveals that the archdiocese did make such payments to multiple accused priests to encourage them to seek dismissal, thereby allowing the church to remove them from the payroll.

    A spokesman for the archdiocese confirmed on Wednesday that payments of as much as $20,000 were made to “a handful” of accused priests “as a motivation” not to contest being defrocked.
    It is becoming more and more apparent that the Catholic Church holds some 'sins' as being of greater import than others; abortion is evil but raping children is not so bad. Gay marriage goes against centuries of religious teachings but child abuse has been OK for just as long a period.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If the government doesn't want their money going to Church-based hospitals, then I guess they should restrict the insured from seeking care in those facilities. Just because abortion is legal, and the government has deemed that people have a "right" to having their birth control or abortions funded, doesn't imply that Catholic or any other church-based hospital should have to provide those services. It's like saying that a children's hospital must provide services to adults, because adults have rights to health care.
    Very well said.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If the government doesn't want their money going to Church-based hospitals, then I guess they should restrict the insured from seeking care in those facilities. Just because abortion is legal, and the government has deemed that people have a "right" to having their birth control or abortions funded, doesn't imply that Catholic or any other church-based hospital should have to provide those services. It's like saying that a children's hospital must provide services to adults, because adults have rights to health care.
    Yeah....let's make this as complicated as we can, add another level of Gov't interference, and tell people where they need to go when sick, injured, and dying.

    ~or~

    Lets simply expect a Hospital to be a Hospital, and a Church to be a Church...thereby avoiding all of this crap.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Well, there lies the problem. Either these hospitals are just plain, old-fashioned non-profits or they're CHURCH. You can't have both. If they're CHURCH then let's call it The Church and stop the government from funding The Church because that's not what OUR government it supposed to be doing.

    If it's just a common non-profit then it goes by the exact same rules as all the other non-profits out there and The Church never enters the equation.
    Not true. The church has been providing medical services and care far longer than any government.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If they want government money then they need to leave the Bible at the door.
    Agreed. However, once they stop taking government money, realize that they would be under no obligation to provide services they didn't want to, or to provide ANY services to people who were not capable of paying for them; if they so chose.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Then can we stop giving money to planned paRentent hoOd as well?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not true. The church has been providing medical services and care far longer than any government.
    How is this relevant?

    The Church can provide all the medical service they wish...without Gov't being involved at all.

    But, that is not the way they wish to play...they want money to help them run a religious institution, which is against the rules. By placing Dogmatic rules upon the public, any Church run Hospital is playing the system...again, pick one as you don't get both.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Agreed. However, once they stop taking government money, realize that they would be under no obligation to provide services they didn't want to, or to provide ANY services to people who were not capable of paying for them; if they so chose.
    Which allows the people to go elsewhere based on informed consent...and they would.

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