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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Important? You're out in left field j. It's just fair.
    Not for you nor, anyone outside the Pope to set doctrine for the church. It is not your decision to decide what is "fair" or not.

    Again, I don't believe what I get from the Church is theirs when it is compensation for services rendered.
    Compensation in the sense that the employer pays the lion share of the premium on your behalf. Compensation in the sense that within the parameters of what that policy covers you are free to use it. But, the "yours" train stops there. You don't decide what it will, or will not cover. You don't shop around for the plan. You don't own anything about the plan as the employer could at any time decide that they will no longer offer Health Insurance, then your so called 'ownership' of the healthcare plan ceases.

    I worked for Mercy Hosptial in Iowa city for some years. They were clear to me that the insurance they provided was like pay. I accepted their explanation then and now.
    Wow, that's great...How much of that Mercy HC plan do you have saved up?

    It is about them trying to tell those who don't share their belief what to do with their compensation.
    Wow, what an ironic statement...So you don't want the Church to dictate to others what they will have included in their Health plans, but you'd like to dictate to the Church what exactly they will offer in that plan....

    Tell ya what. Why don't you leave the Church, and other businesses alone to decide their 'compensation' and let people decide if they want the job. You don't like the pay package, you don't have to work there....The employee doesn't have a right to the job.


    I think your view is skewed.
    I couldn't care less.

    Remember, most Catholics are fine with contracptions.
    Oh, most eh? Is that right? Well...That's different, get the Pope on the phone, and let him know to change Church edict immediately, because 'Most Catholics' are ok with it....

    I have never heard such obtuse logic in my life.

    Old white males who don't make a lot of babies?
    No one is forcing you to be Catholic, or work for a Catholic institution. You don't like it, stay away.

    Or better yet, I'll tell ya what, I like to defecate on the floors and property of "Boo Radley" households at will, so when I get to IA, be a kind one, and guide me to your home so I can take a dump on your floor will ya? My job counts it as compensation to my work, so it's mine.....k?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    j, the word compensation:


    com·pen·sa·tion    [kom-puhn-sey-shuhn] Show IPA

    noun
    1. the act or state of compensating.

    2. the state of being compensated.

    3. something given or received as an equivalent for services, debt, loss, injury, suffering, lack, etc.; indemnity: The insurance company paid him $2000 as compensation for the loss of his car.

    Compensation | Define Compensation at Dictionary.com

    Compensation is the total amount of the monetary and non-monetary pay provided to an employee by an employer in return for work performed as required.

    Compensation - Definition of Compensation

    There is vitually no difference between insurance compensation and pay.


    As for the Pope, he and clergy are free to do things differently for themselves and those deemed clergy, or performing tasks that are of a church nature, preaching. But once the church enters the business world, the business is a business and not a church. This is fundamental.

    Now, as to your love it or leave proposition. Few like anything 100%. Noting right and wrong and fairness is not sign of not liking the Church or the faith. Only idiots or very sad individuals deal in such absolutes. And believe it or not, things change, even doctrines. They have before and will again.

    I'd also like to leave a word on choice. Those who go into the clinic or doctor's office, those are the ones making the choice. No one says a priest has to go in and get contraceptions. No one says a nun has to either. No even says the church has to offer insurance. Let them compete for the top people withou offering it if they want. But, like minimum wage, if they give insurance as compensation, it is up to the employee, the one compensated to decide how they use it. No one is forcing them to use contraceptions either.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    And health insurance that does not cover birth control, is just as much compensation as health insurance that does cover birth control. The employee is free to use the compensation how they choose now.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    And health insurance that does not cover birth control, is just as much compensation as health insurance that does cover birth control. The employee is free to use the compensation how they choose now.
    True, just as pay less than minimum wage is just as much compensation as that above minimum wage. However, the government does mandate minimum wage. Doing so with insurance would nto be particularly different.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    True, just as pay less than minimum wage is just as much compensation as that above minimum wage. However, the government does mandate minimum wage. Doing so with insurance would nto be particularly different.
    Except it would be particularly different. As minimum wage is not violating someones religion. Forcing an organization to compensate for BC, is.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Except it would be particularly different. As minimum wage is not violating someones religion. Forcing an organization to compensate for BC, is.
    Nor is it giving the option to someone who is not catholic. The Catholic working at McDonald's has that option, but is not forced to use. Nor does McDonalds feel they should make sure employees use it because it is in keeping with their religious beliefs.

    Religion is largely personal. And while we give some needless exceptions for churches (not hospitals or schools), the right is in not making you use it. No priest has to use birth control. Nor do they pay for them. They pay the employee, who choose to use or not use them.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nor is it giving the option to someone who is not catholic. The Catholic working at McDonald's has that option, but is not forced to use. Nor does McDonalds feel they should make sure employees use it because it is in keeping with their religious beliefs.

    Religion is largely personal. And while we give some needless exceptions for churches (not hospitals or schools), the right is in not making you use it. No priest has to use birth control. Nor do they pay for them. They pay the employee, who choose to use or not use them.
    And they choose what to pay or not pay the employee. They are choosing not to pay BC coverage.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    And they choose what to pay or not pay the employee. They are choosing not to pay BC coverage.
    Only after they meet at least minimum wage. So, making a stipulation, as I show here, is not unusual. So any way you look at it, the church is not being abused. But if they enter the secular business world, they are rightfully subject to the rules that govern secular business.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry, but the HC law from Obama is not yet implemented, and may never be. Now this goes further, it smacks of the administration knowing that it will not be upheld, and trying to circumvent the court through regulation. Which is underhanded, and quite unconstitutional as well...The Church will win their law suit as well....Then what? Thugs at the rectory?


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    To boo, hc coverage as it stands today, is up to the employer as to the plan that they Taylor to offer their own employees. That includes churches and the services open to the public to use. Minimum wage is written in federal law, hc although law, is not mandated yet, and will likely be stuck down this month. So your comparison is wanting. Plus, the church has filed its own law suit, which they are also likely to win.

    All I can say is shame on you libs for trying to dictate to the church what they should do regardless of their beliefs while at the same time screaming like stuck pigs if anything remotely religious is brought of in public like a prayer, or poster of the commandments.

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