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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Yes the insurance belongs to the employee. What is offered belongs to the employer.

    There is a difference, whether you can grasp it or not.
    As does the pay, and the government tells the employee that he must pay at least minimum wage. So, we have something exactly the same, and that has a government specification attached.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As does the pay, and the government tells the employee that he must pay at least minimum wage. So, we have something exactly the same, and that has a government specification attached.
    Except what they are now trying to specify, is against the religious beliefs of those they are demanding it of.

    I know it sucks that there are people that believe something other than you, but you should really get past your bigotry.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Except what they are now trying to specify, is against the religious beliefs of those they are demanding it of.

    I know it sucks that there are people that believe something other than you, but you should really get past your bigotry.
    Believe it or not, what some of those people spend their cash on is against their beliefs as well. But, they can't control it there. And they shoudln't be able to control it with insurance either. The belief that we shoudl be concerned is the belief held by those who use it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Good talking point. You of course know why they polled those states right? Oh...you dont.

    California, Illinois and New York offer the same guidelines that the fed is now offering. That is, no exemption on those services to Catholic or faith based companies under Church control. Seven other states offer a narrow exemption guideline, which Im betting covers the other states mentioned in the above material. I believe it was 29 other states that offered the broad guidelines that allow chuch based orginzations to exempt themselves from offering these services.

    In other words, you are using an example where the state government doesnt allow them to opt out as proof that they offer those services, truly Orwellian.
    Yet, they offer the services....correct?

    If indeed this issue is as important as claimed, would these hospitals of Catholic Lean, not leave rather than face the wrath of God watching such sin transpire?

    Either this is a religious moral matter, or it is not...they cannot play both teams. Again.....I smell Bull****.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Except what they are now trying to specify, is against the religious beliefs of those they are demanding it of.

    I know it sucks that there are people that believe something other than you, but you should really get past your bigotry.
    May I ask exactly how requiring an institution providing secular services infringes on the religious beliefs of the proprietors?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Except what they are now trying to specify, is against the religious beliefs of those they are demanding it of.

    I know it sucks that there are people that believe something other than you, but you should really get past your bigotry.
    You do not even see the irony in your statement.....do you?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Around 80% or more of Catholics use birth control of some form or another.
    I don't give two hoots if it is 100% of all Catholics are violating Church doctrine. That is between them, and their Priest. The Catholic Church doctrine isn't set by majority rule, in case you are unfamiliar, it is set by the Vatican, and the Pope.

    Now, can you show me where Church doctrine has changed to allow BC?

    It is a very small minority of Catholics that have an issue with this law, and those would be the ones who probably feel it is their business to mandate what others do with their bodies just because of their own beliefs.
    Again, so what? The doctrine is set by the Vatican. If you don't like the Catholic doctrine, then don't be a Catholic. You can't pick and choose what parts of the religion you will follow, and what parts you will dismiss. Well, I guess you can, but then you're not really a Catholic then are you?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Believe it or not, what some of those people spend their cash on is against their beliefs as well. But, they can't control it there. And they shoudln't be able to control it with insurance either. The belief that we shoudl be concerned is the belief held by those who use it.

    Tell me why it is so important to have Catholic institutions pay for services that are against their doctrine?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't give two hoots if it is 100% of all Catholics are violating Church doctrine. That is between them, and their Priest. The Catholic Church doctrine isn't set by majority rule, in case you are unfamiliar, it is set by the Vatican, and the Pope.

    Now, can you show me where Church doctrine has changed to allow BC?

    Again, so what? The doctrine is set by the Vatican. If you don't like the Catholic doctrine, then don't be a Catholic. You can't pick and choose what parts of the religion you will follow, and what parts you will dismiss. Well, I guess you can, but then you're not really a Catholic then are you?
    Why does everyone assume that you can't pick and choose which parts of a religion you want to follow? Absolutely you can. You can choose whatever the hell you want to follow from any religion and the only thing the actual church can do is keep you from going into their church or having their priests give you what they consider certain religious rites.

    And yes, if a person believes the vast majority of the Catholic beliefs but disregards a few they don't agree with, they would still be Catholic. Otherwise, I'm willing to bet there isn't a true Catholic at all.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why does everyone assume that you can't pick and choose which parts of a religion you want to follow? Absolutely you can. You can choose whatever the hell you want to follow from any religion and the only thing the actual church can do is keep you from going into their church or having their priests give you what they consider certain religious rites.

    And yes, if a person believes the vast majority of the Catholic beliefs but disregards a few they don't agree with, they would still be Catholic. Otherwise, I'm willing to bet there isn't a true Catholic at all.

    The larger question is about whom sets doctrine....

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