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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The question for me is not whether or not it serves a public service. The question for me is whether or not a persons religion should exempt them from the law. I do not think a person's religion should exempt them from the law, nor should it get them any special rights or treatment from the government. That is not equality.
    This is not a matter of exempting religious people from the law. This is a case where the law itself is unconstitutional. Try to keep up.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    This is about health insurance not religion.

    Not everyone who works in Cathlolic hospitals is Catholic... and most Catholics use some form of BC anyway.
    The government has no business mandating what health insurance should cover - for anyone. That's a decision that should be made between buyer and seller of the insurance product.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    This is not a matter of exempting religious people from the law. This is a case where the law itself is unconstitutional. Try to keep up.
    This is a matter of exempting the church. Have you read through this thread or did you just skip to the end?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    This is a matter of exempting the church. Have you read through this thread or did you just skip to the end?
    I've read it all through, and suggest you do the same. The issue at hand is whether the regulation is legal.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    I've read it all through, and suggest you do the same. The issue at hand is whether the regulation is legal.
    You have it wrong though. It is about business and institutions that are not chuches can be exempt from the law. Nothing in that has much at all to do with the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have it wrong though. It is about business and institutions that are not chuches can be exempt from the law. Nothing in that has much at all to do with the constitution.
    So the Catholic institutions close, and those employees have neither a job, or health coverage. That make you happy?

    Or, the other solution is to simply fire all non Catholics, and only treat baptised Catholics.

    Good job.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the Catholic institutions close, and those employees have neither a job, or health coverage. That make you happy?

    Or, the other solution is to simply fire all non Catholics, and only treat baptised Catholics.

    Good job.

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    Around 80% or more of Catholics use birth control of some form or another. It is a very small minority of Catholics that have an issue with this law, and those would be the ones who probably feel it is their business to mandate what others do with their bodies just because of their own beliefs.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the Catholic institutions close, and those employees have neither a job, or health coverage. That make you happy?

    Or, the other solution is to simply fire all non Catholics, and only treat baptised Catholics.

    Good job.

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    Happy? No. Nor do I believe that will ever happen. The back lash they would receive would be devestating, and on top of the child abuse scandel? NO.

    And if they could get all catholic employees, they would do that. Outside of the small cloistered group of male hierarchy, in the US, a the majority have little problem with contraceptions. That information has been posted. If the Church wants to destroy itself, it is free to do so. No one can force them to do otherwise. But once given as compensation, the inusrance belongs to the employee. They decide how they use it.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    I don't see why religious employers should be exempted from a requirement that other employers have to abide by. Apparently, contraception requirements were deemed to be in the public interest and I don't see how Catholic hospitals and other related employers can claim religious exemption. Muhammad Ali tried to pull off the same religious exemption gig, it didn't work. They have a better chance trying to abolish the whole requirement for all employers rather than trying to set up a religious exemption just for them.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Around 80% or more of Catholics use birth control of some form or another. It is a very small minority of Catholics that have an issue with this law, and those would be the ones who probably feel it is their business to mandate what others do with their bodies just because of their own beliefs.
    When they are providing the compensation... Yeah.
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