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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then they are not very good at business to begin with. And not very charitable to their employees either. Because either they are going to pay more for those babies being born, which means more money needs to come into them, likely in the form of higher premiums, in order to pay for those extra babies that might have been prevented due to BC, or they are forcing their employees to pay for their BC due to those who run the institutions' individual religious beliefs with no regard to how their employees feel about those beliefs. Of course it is likely both things are happening.

    Insurance should have nothing to do with religion. If they are self-insured, it is highly likely that they have to be that way because they couldn't find an insurance plan that considered it even close to a good idea to not pay for contraceptives. And that would be because it is more expensive for people on insurance to be having babies than it is to cover prevention methods.

    Honestly, I'd just prefer that we have a National Healthcare System and your taxes go to paying for anyone who wants it to have birth control methods completely covered. Then the Catholics and anyone else who disapproves of BC would absolutely be paying for it.

    You speak as though you think that you own the job you have? Oh, and BTW, I note that you are against religious freedom.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You speak as though you think that you own the job you have? Oh, and BTW, I note that you are against religious freedom.

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    I'm against the religious, particularly the churches, forcing their religious beliefs on their employees just because they work for them. That is wrong. And it is not very Christian of them. I'm pretty sure God could care less if they offered to pay for contraceptives through insurance policies, particularly when it would likely give everyone more money to give.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm against the religious, particularly the churches, forcing their religious beliefs on their employees just because they work for them. That is wrong. And it is not very Christian of them. I'm pretty sure God could care less if they offered to pay for contraceptives through insurance policies, particularly when it would likely give everyone more money to give.

    BWHAAAAAA! You're pretty sure you know what God would want the church to do? That is funny....give me a break....

    So now address the first part of my post if you would be so kind...


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who buys the plan? Who decides what is covered in the plan? The employee, or the employer?

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    Same person who pays me the salary. That doesn't give them control over either when it is compensation for the work done. This is fndamental. Do you want them controlling what YOU do with YOUR compensation? If you do, you'll need to ask their permission when you buy things. It must be approved by them.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same person who pays me the salary. That doesn't give them control over either when it is compensation for the work done. This is fndamental. Do you want them controlling what YOU do with YOUR compensation? If you do, you'll need to ask their permission when you buy things. It must be approved by them.

    Ok, I think I see the disconnect here. Listen, the employer buys the insurance plan as a benefit, or incitement to work for a specific employer. That means that the coverages of that plan, in relation to cost, coverage limits, procedures are all decided by the employer before you are offered a particular benefit coverage. It is not required that an employer offer you any coverage at all, you realize this right?

    Anyway, that you agree to work for someone, doesn't give you the right, nor ability to dictate what it is the terms of that employment that any employer must give to you upon acceptance over what they, and you have agreed to upon initial employment. If you don't like the terms of employment, or level of benefits, then BUY YOUR OWN!, or find a different job.

    This idea that once you get hired, you somehow "own" the job, and the employer has some sort of social responsibility to give you what you want is laughable...


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Bottom line, if Catholics and Conservatives dont want insurance to cover Birth Control, or are against low cost clinics providing Birth Control, they cant bitch about Abortion.

    Telling people to "shut their legs" (or put an aspirin between their knees ), or to keep their "pecker in their pants", isn't going to prevent pregnancy or reduce abortion.

    And when these same people start a fuss over viagra being covered by insurance, I might take them 1/3 serious. A limp dick must suck, but sex is not something a man NEEDS to have. Just sayin'
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    FFS.

    Wouldn't the simple solution be for the employer not to provide health coverage?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Bottom line, if Catholics and Conservatives dont want insurance to cover Birth Control, or are against support low cost clinics providing Birth Control, they cant bitch about Abortion.

    Telling people to "shut their legs" (or put an aspirin between their knees ), or to keep their "pecker in their pants", isn't going to prevent pregnancy or reduce abortion.

    And when these same people start a fuss over viagra being covered by insurance, I might take them 1/3 serious. A limp dick must suck, but sex is not something a man NEEDS to have. Just sayin'
    Why can't we bitch about abortion? The pill and condoms have shown to be just as ineffective, while supporting unhealthy social behavior. While abstinence is always 100% effective when actually done, and it supports healthy social behavior.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Why can't we bitch about abortion? The pill and condoms have shown to be just as ineffective, while supporting unhealthy social behavior. While abstinence is always 100% effective when actually done, and it supports healthy social behavior.
    Do you HONESTLY think Christians will support abstinence when procreation is something they stand on? Do you honestly believe every American will practice abstinence? lol come on now! That's going to be about as effective as telling people to "be responsible". They're nice ideas...but far from reasonable.

    The answer is not to END all abortion, the logical solution is to REDUCE abortion...that can be accomplished by contraception.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Do you HONESTLY think Christians will support abstinence when procreation is something they stand on? Do you honestly believe every American will practice abstinence? lol come on now! That's going to be about as effective as telling people to "be responsible". They're nice ideas...but far from reasonable.

    The answer is not to END all abortion, the logical solution is to REDUCE abortion...that can be accomplished by contraception.
    How is contraception the answer when it has been so ineffective?

    Do you HONESTLY think everyone will use it? Don't people need to be responsible then? Its a nice idea, buy far from reasonable.

    It is not YOUR answer. It is not logical to YOU. It seems plenty logical to me, considering how much effort has been put in to push the notion of safe sex and how ineffective it has been.
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