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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Don't you just love how it is a violation of the 1st Amendment the moment that it is something against what that religion doesn't like? But what about for things that the religion does like? Or at least doesn't object to? If we went strictly by the whole seperation of church and state section of the 1st Amendment then the church would be able to ignore any law that we have. Minimum wage? Bah humbug! You peasants aren't worth minimum wage! Womens rights as it pertains to churches? Bah humbug! All them women should be staying home barefoot cooking dinner and having babies! Not working in our buisnesses!

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know you admitted to dumbing yourself down, but that doesn't mean we all have to play dumb. I stated clearly where I stand, your silly question doesn't change that. I don't see race anywhere in the issue, but I do have a problem with only white males sitting down to decide women issues. I think this is reasonable.
    but that is what he calls "shredding YOUR position" when he has no arguement left. i'm paraphrasing of course.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yes, to your level.


    Look kid, if you are too weak of character to answer a direct question, you probably shouldn't get an attitude with me. you made the statement, stand by it or retract it.


    I asked you a simple question, your fear of answering it, peacetime, is all the answer I need.


    So to you, only white misogynistic males can hold the opinion it is the church's right to dictate what their voluntarily offered health care will offer. And to think the government has no business to dictate to the church can only be of this bigotry.


    Talk about "dumbing it down", hero, your ignorant bigoted statement seems a bit ironic.
    you've been asked MANY questions YOU wished to ignore that is a two way street also apparently.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Remember when that plant fluke held a press conference disquised as senate hearing?


    what was it? under 20 bucks a month for BC? More like 9? Less than the six pack lubricant that goes with it?


    This is about pissing on the first amendment folks, not birth control.
    what's one more amendment the 4th has been gone for a while now.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've seen some reports of small growth in the catholic Church (something 1 1/2 %), but I think this is more accurate:
    2. American church attendance is steadily declining.

    In 1990, 20.4% of the population attended an Orthodox Christian church on any given weekend. In 2000, that percentage dropped to 18.7% and to 17.7% by 2004. Olson explains that while church attendance numbers have stayed about the same from 1990 to 2004, the U.S. population has grown by 18.1%—more than 48 million people. “So even though the number of attendees is the same, our churches are not keeping up with population growth,” he says.



    Well-known church researcher and author Thom Rainer notes that the failure of churches to keep up with the population growth is one of the Church’s greatest issues heading into the future. In a 2002 survey of 1,159 U.S. churches, Rainer’s research team found that only 6% of the churches were growing—he defines growth as not only increasing in attendance, but also increasing at a pace faster than its community’s population growth rate. “Stated inversely, 94% of our churches are losing ground in the communities they serve,” he says.

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    The most significant drop in attendance came at the expense of the Catholic Church, which experienced an 11% decrease in its attendance percentage from 2000 to 2004. Next, and not far behind were mainline churches, which saw a 10% percentage decline. Evangelicals experienced the smallest drop at 1%.

    7 Startling Facts: An Up Close Look at Church Attendance in America - ChurchLeaders.com - Christian Leadership Blogs, Articles, Videos, How To's, and Free Resources

    I only know here we hav eless churches than we had. Two Catholic churches have closed since I've lived here.
    You feel that figures from 1990 and a personal anecdote are more accurate concerning increased membership in the Catholic Church than the figures of last year?

    You must be a Barrack Obama supporter.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You feel that figures from 1990 and a personal anecdote are more accurate concerning increased membership in the Catholic Church than the figures of last year?

    You must be a Barrack Obama supporter.
    I think how you measure it matters. But post some numbers and I'll look at it. But did you look at what I posted. Just glancing I see 2004.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They wouldn't be paying for it, the insurance would. Insurance doesn't really work the way most seem to think it does. In fact, it is even likely that they could find insurance policies for less that actually included BC than finding them for more since the insurance companies probably would rather spend the money for BC than spend the money for babies.

    Tell us how it works then? Going by what has been given fact, many of the institutions that are suing are self insured....You do understand that right?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tell us how it works then? Going by what has been given fact, many of the institutions that are suing are self insured....You do understand that right?


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    Yes. But the insurance belongs to the employee. It would be like telling the person what they can buy with their paycheck. Do you support the church doing that?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tell us how it works then? Going by what has been given fact, many of the institutions that are suing are self insured....You do understand that right?

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    Then they are not very good at business to begin with. And not very charitable to their employees either. Because either they are going to pay more for those babies being born, which means more money needs to come into them, likely in the form of higher premiums, in order to pay for those extra babies that might have been prevented due to BC, or they are forcing their employees to pay for their BC due to those who run the institutions' individual religious beliefs with no regard to how their employees feel about those beliefs. Of course it is likely both things are happening.

    Insurance should have nothing to do with religion. If they are self-insured, it is highly likely that they have to be that way because they couldn't find an insurance plan that considered it even close to a good idea to not pay for contraceptives. And that would be because it is more expensive for people on insurance to be having babies than it is to cover prevention methods.

    Honestly, I'd just prefer that we have a National Healthcare System and your taxes go to paying for anyone who wants it to have birth control methods completely covered. Then the Catholics and anyone else who disapproves of BC would absolutely be paying for it.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes. But the insurance belongs to the employee. It would be like telling the person what they can buy with their paycheck. Do you support the church doing that?
    Who buys the plan? Who decides what is covered in the plan? The employee, or the employer?

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