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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    This has nothing to do with the use of BC.

    It has to do with forcing the Church to pay for it.

    Huge difference.
    They wouldn't be paying for it, the insurance would. Insurance doesn't really work the way most seem to think it does. In fact, it is even likely that they could find insurance policies for less that actually included BC than finding them for more since the insurance companies probably would rather spend the money for BC than spend the money for babies.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They wouldn't be paying for it, the insurance would. Insurance doesn't really work the way most seem to think it does. In fact, it is even likely that they could find insurance policies for less that actually included BC than finding them for more since the insurance companies probably would rather spend the money for BC than spend the money for babies.
    This seems to be a very difficult concept.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    This has nothing to do with the use of BC.

    It has to do with forcing the Church to pay for it.

    Huge difference.
    The Church is not being forced to 'pay for birth control'.

    That's just pain idiotic.

    The Church, as a non-profit corporation operating under U.S. law is being told to pay for adequate health care coverage for its employees (Catholic and otherwise).

    Is the Church refusing to pay for prostate medication for men? Then why should women with ovarian issues be made to pay out of pocket for a necessary and common treatment.

    Also, the Catholic Church needs to drop "the every sperm is sacred" bit, as the majority of its members don't care what the pope thinks or a bunch of celibate men for that matter.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The Church is not being forced to 'pay for birth control'.

    That's just pain idiotic.

    The Church, as a non-profit corporation operating under U.S. law is being told to pay for adequate health care coverage for its employees (Catholic and otherwise).

    Is the Church refusing to pay for prostate medication for men? Then why should women with ovarian issues be made to pay out of pocket for a necessary and common treatment.

    Also, the Catholic Church needs to drop "the every sperm is sacred" bit, as the majority of its members don't care what the pope thinks or a bunch of celibate men for that matter.
    Women with ovarian issues is a minority of women who would use birth control.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The Church is not being forced to 'pay for birth control'.

    That's just pain idiotic.

    The Church, as a non-profit corporation operating under U.S. law is being told to pay for adequate health care coverage for its employees (Catholic and otherwise).

    Is the Church refusing to pay for prostate medication for men? Then why should women with ovarian issues be made to pay out of pocket for a necessary and common treatment.

    Also, the Catholic Church needs to drop "the every sperm is sacred" bit, as the majority of its members don't care what the pope thinks or a bunch of celibate men for that matter.



    yes., we should line up zee catholics and gas them!


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Remember when that plant fluke held a press conference disquised as senate hearing?


    what was it? under 20 bucks a month for BC? More like 9? Less than the six pack lubricant that goes with it?


    This is about pissing on the first amendment folks, not birth control.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Remember when that plant fluke held a press conference disquised as senate hearing?


    what was it? under 20 bucks a month for BC? More like 9? Less than the six pack lubricant that goes with it?


    This is about pissing on the first amendment folks, not birth control.
    Absolutely, and specifically about killing off religion in this country. Religion and the Constitution are the biggest impediments to a liberal mindset. End all religious faith, and normalize what religious people object to. It's an incremental process, it doesn't happen all at once. It may take another 100 years, but they will work patiently to get it done. Not all liberals have signed on to this, but many have and some don't even realize it. It's really not an agenda as much as it is a mindset.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No wonder the Catholic church is losing members daily.
    They are fast becoming history and it won't be the 1st time an organization failed to keep up with the times and disappears.
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    You've been misinformed.

    In fact membership in the Catholic Church in the United States is growing.

    Perhaps that's because they are less likely to abort their children.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You've been misinformed.

    In fact membership in the Catholic Church in the United States is growing.

    Perhaps that's because they are less likely to abort their children.
    I've seen some reports of small growth in the catholic Church (something 1 1/2 %), but I think this is more accurate:

    2. American church attendance is steadily declining.

    In 1990, 20.4% of the population attended an Orthodox Christian church on any given weekend. In 2000, that percentage dropped to 18.7% and to 17.7% by 2004. Olson explains that while church attendance numbers have stayed about the same from 1990 to 2004, the U.S. population has grown by 18.1%—more than 48 million people. “So even though the number of attendees is the same, our churches are not keeping up with population growth,” he says.



    Well-known church researcher and author Thom Rainer notes that the failure of churches to keep up with the population growth is one of the Church’s greatest issues heading into the future. In a 2002 survey of 1,159 U.S. churches, Rainer’s research team found that only 6% of the churches were growing—he defines growth as not only increasing in attendance, but also increasing at a pace faster than its community’s population growth rate. “Stated inversely, 94% of our churches are losing ground in the communities they serve,” he says.

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    The most significant drop in attendance came at the expense of the Catholic Church, which experienced an 11% decrease in its attendance percentage from 2000 to 2004. Next, and not far behind were mainline churches, which saw a 10% percentage decline. Evangelicals experienced the smallest drop at 1%.

    7 Startling Facts: An Up Close Look at Church Attendance in America - ChurchLeaders.com - Christian Leadership Blogs, Articles, Videos, How To's, and Free Resources

    I only know here we hav eless churches than we had. Two Catholic churches have closed since I've lived here.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    They pay taxes, then they can cry and whine. Birth control is essential for many even those not having sex that hae PCOS.
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