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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    The church is suing the state over an infringment of religious rights; that's that the state's attempt to enforce a birth control mandate is against the teachings and practice of the Catholic Church. The People, some of whom belong to the Catholic Church, are protected against religious laws via the 1st Amendment.
    If there were an attempt to discriminate against religion, I would be on your side...but, it is not.

    This is a case of said Religion, asking for special treatment under federal law. The Catholic Church wishes to exempted from this law and has decided to sue the Fed to rectify a non-existent issue.

    The Church does not provide BC...insurance does.

    Then there is this:

    " 58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception. That slides down to 52% for Catholic voters, 50% for white Catholics.
    61% of religiously unaffiliated Americans say employer plans should cover contraception.
    50%of white mainline Protestants want the coverage. However, for evangelical Protestants, that drops to 38%.

    And perhaps of greater note among election-watchers:

    Women are significantly more likely than men to agree that employers should be required to provide health care plans that cover contraception (62% vs. 47% respectively)."

    New surveys: Catholics want birth control coverage

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then you should know better. Emplyers also choose what salary they pay for the job, and all kinds of other compensation. All of it is for the work and not by the goodness of their hearts. Sorry.


    yes, compensation, in pay and benefits you are changing your story now, as you called it "pay".... my HR department decides on the plans we offer and deals with it, we could freely choose, I believe, to have a policy that covers massage and tatttoo removal, but I don't think we do.

    I would choose not to cover anything elective, except maybe help an employee have a kid or something, I'll have to look into that....


    But thanks for the business lecture, teach, I sure got a chuckle out of it....
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They do in their secular businesses. People who are not Jewish or Muslim who work for businesses they own, do on occassion eat pork.

    And doctors and nurses at Catholic hospitals do perfrom things not accepted by the church. You shoudl go work at one for awhile.



    and here comes the Boo Radley shuffle..... If you really want to make that your point, I wont stop you, but it's pretty sad..... you are asking that the organization provide said pork, after all it's "pay".
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yes, compensation, in pay and benefits you are changing your story now, as you called it "pay".... my HR department decides on the plans we offer and deals with it, we could freely choose, I believe, to have a policy that covers massage and tatttoo removal, but I don't think we do.

    I would choose not to cover anything elective, except maybe help an employee have a kid or something, I'll have to look into that....


    But thanks for the business lecture, teach, I sure got a chuckle out of it....
    I'm not changing anything. I use the word compensatin most often. That incudes pay and benefits. Both pay and benefits are comepnsation, and both are for the work rendered and no other reason. And yes, you have choices, but you are not exempt from any thing mandatory. Nor are hospitals, which are not churches. Doctors are not cleregy. Nor are nurses or mantiance nor housekeeping. The compensation is the employees. They are the ones who choose how to use that compensation.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    and here comes the Boo Radley shuffle..... If you really want to make that your point, I wont stop you, but it's pretty sad..... you are asking that the organization provide said pork, after all it's "pay".
    No, I said no such thing. I said, their employees do eat pork, and a business own by such people do serve pork. The business is not a church and is not covered by any exemption.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not changing anything. I use the word compensatin most often. That incudes pay and benefits. Both pay and benefits are comepnsation, and both are for the work rendered and no other reason. And yes, you have choices, but you are not exempt from any thing mandatory. Nor are hospitals, which are not churches. Doctors are not cleregy. Nor are nurses or mantiance nor housekeeping. The compensation is the employees. They are the ones who choose how to use that compensation.

    You should try to learn more. I'll give you the best lectures I have, but eventually, you should do some reading.



    pay =/= benefits the latter is offered at the pleasure of the business, you yourself said they don't have to, they do, they don't want to include bc. that as a church is thier business according to the 1st amendment of the USC.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I said no such thing. I said, their employees do eat pork, and a business own by such people do serve pork. The business is not a church and is not covered by any exemption.


    The catholic church has a hospital, they as a benefit, at thier pleasure offer health ins. it is no business of the FEDGOV to dictate what elective products or any products for that matter, they include in this.

    Why is this concept so difficult for you?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The catholic church has a hospital, they as a benefit, at thier pleasure offer health ins. it is no business of the FEDGOV to dictate what elective products or any products for that matter, they include in this.

    Why is this concept so difficult for you?
    Yes, to offer it. As it is with how much they will pay. But they cannot pay less than minimum wage (outside of the rules for minimum wage) and they can't decide to be different from anyone else concerning insurance. Whether it is the business or the government, be it minimum wage or health insurance, that is not the question here. The question is whether the hospital is a church and doctors are clergy. This is what is protected. Otherwise, they are like everyone else.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, to offer it. As it is with how much they will pay. But they cannot pay less than minimum wage (outside of the rules for minimum wage) and they can't decide to be different from anyone else concerning insurance. Whether it is the business or the government, be it minimum wage or health insurance, that is not the question here. The question is whether the hospital is a church and doctors are clergy. This is what is protected. Otherwise, they are like everyone else.


    It's a church, they offer, as you claimed, at thier pleasure, this benefit, why would they not get to choose what they cover? If you don't like that they don't cover your condoms, get another job...


    Furthermore, it's a church, thier teachings are against BC, however wacky that is, the USC mandates a restriction on the FEDGOV of intefering with thier religious beliefs.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    What I don't get is why it's more important to mandate complete coverage of birth control but not maintenance meds that are pretty much necessary?
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