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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They didn't volunteer to be police men in non declared wars.
    Sure they did. Don't insult them or allow them to pretend they were victims. They joined for the adventure and for the benefits. After the Cold War ended, our troops deployed to Somalia and Bosnia. During the Cold War, we sent our troops to Korea and Vietnam. We have Marines stationed in over 185 embassies around the globe. Our Navies patrol every ocean and every major sea port, with Marine forces ready to strike anything at any given time. Our Air Force patrol the skies and take high altitude photos of virtually every nation.

    They volunteered knowing exactly what we do. And since we have been at "non declared war" all over the world (Afganistan and Iraq featured) since 9/11, they have no right complaining about volunteering.

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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    So....in your opinion the kids should be proud for being jack booted enforcers iń non declared wars?
    Were they "declared" prior to their enlistment? Stop using their falsehoods.

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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Who is saying they are victims? They left the service with different beliefs than they had when they entered.
    I'm not misrepresenting anything. You are allowing them to get away with face value bitching because the moment is peaking to them. These are people who should have never enlisted in the first place. If they were so stupid as to not know they were heading over during a time of war, then they got what they deserved for volunteering. Nothing about these wars changed prior to their enlistments. They are acting like victims.

    And adults would have less mind shifts if they actually invested some thinking into situations instead of blindly following along with Hollywood's, a politician's, and the media's preachings.

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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is false. Prior to the invasion they did change their position and offered to hand him over to the US government.
    I do not recall. I was busy working up to kick their asses for revenge.

    But it really doesn't matter. 9/11 was a symptom. Incarcerating a single individual over the event wasn't enough. If it were, then we would have just bombed out an aspirin factory. This is regional. Always had been. The protest has always conflicted with itself.

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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Al Qaeda means "The Base."



    Afghanistan's Taliban-led government sheltered Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, permitted them to use Afghanistan for planning operations, and refused to cooperate with the U.S. after 9/11 to bring Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to justice. Afghanistan is a classic case of a "just" war.
    Actually, that isn't entirely true, specifically that last part.

    A senior Taliban leader said Sunday that the Islamic militia would be willing to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country if the United States halts the bombing of Afghanistan and provides evidence against him.

    President Bush quickly rejected the offer.
    (Bush Rejects Taliban Bin Laden Offer)


    An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil.

    Neither organisation heeded the warning, which was given just weeks before the 11 September attacks.


    The aide said he had urged the Americans to launch a military campaign against al-Qaeda but was told that this was politically impossible.
    (BBC NEWS | South Asia | Taleban 'warned US of huge attack')

    The ninth day of air attacks came after Bush rejected Taliban Deputy Prime Minister Haji Abdul Kabir's offer yesterday to surrender bin Laden to a third country in exchange for stopping the bombing and showing proof of the Saudi exile's guilt in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
    (Intense daylight bombing raids / Bush rejects new Taliban offer to send bin Laden to 3rd country)

    Thus, the Taliban did offer to give up bin Laden, if the US gave evidence that he was linked to 9/11, which I don't think is unreasonable.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Didn't John Kerry toss some medals of his once?
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Didn't John Kerry toss some medals of his once?


    He also according to him committed war crimes.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Thus, the Taliban did offer to give up bin Laden, if the US gave evidence that he was linked to 9/11, which I don't think is unreasonable.
    But not to the US, the chief victim of the crime. Thus it was perfectly reasonable for the US to go after him wherever he was, and the Taliban merely offered themselves up as collateral damage. No loss to the world.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    But not to the US, the chief victim of the crime. Thus it was perfectly reasonable for the US to go after him wherever he was, and the Taliban merely offered themselves up as collateral damage. No loss to the world.
    They offered to give them up to a third country and we all know that that 3rd country would've given bin Laden to the US. Thus, it was not reasonable to deny their offer.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That might not have been what they wanted to do, but they knew that that could be one of their missions. If they didn't, then they're just stupid.
    I dunno man. Right after 9/11 and those beheading videos I almost signed up. In retrospect thank God for fool's luck. If they tried sending me into non-decraled warzones I'd be do everything I can to get out. I prolly would have been fragged by tattling on the first person who needlessly took a civ's life.
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