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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Rosa Parks was only 1 woman.
    You missed the point completely. Rosa Parks didn't volunteer to be black in a society where blacks were treated unequal. Rosa Parks actually had a complaint. And it wasn't to "Save the Whales" or "Bring the Troops Home," or any other protestor's fad of the day that seeks her example to legitimize the complaint.

    These "50" are not victims. They each chose to go to war by enlisting in the Army or Marine Corps during a time of war....and now bitch about having to go to war. They are not victims of corporate greed. They did not join the Air Force or Coast Guard where they could have gambled sucessfully and spent their four year contract inside the U.S.....or at worst, aboard a very safe main base in the war zone. And they didn't enlist with the idea that the war was going to end the very day they graduated Boot Training. But now they protest? They are fools. They got what they asked for and now presume to pretend that they were somehow led astray or mistreated.

    By the way....11 years after 9/11, what have protestors managed to do about the war? I guess the "1" hasn't come out of the crowd yet to make that difference. We left Iraq when it was time and we will leave Afghanistan in the same manner. Protestors only accomplish when they have a legitimate social complaint. Otherwise, its just the noise of the frustrated and confused.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Fail. Mullah Omar, the one-eyed leader of the Taliban, is UBL's son-in-law. The chance he would turn his father-in-law over to the Great Satan is like unto that of a snowball in hell.
    The person that made the offer was Taliban's ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef...

    U.S. rejects Taliban offer to try bin Laden - CNN
    U.S. Rejects New Taliban Offer - ABC News
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    I tend not to believe these stories too much given some of the "veterans" the left paraded around, If they are true, I hope the injured ones are getting proper treatment and the help we all owe them.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    From your links....

    The White House on Sunday rejected an offer from Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to try suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan under Islamic law.
    The United States today rejected yet another offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to turn over Osama bin Laden for trial in a third country if the U.S. presents evidence against bin Laden and stops air attacks.
    The offer came a day after the Taliban's supreme leader rebuffed Bush's "second chance" for the Islamic militia to surrender Bin Laden to the US.

    Mullah Mohammed Omar said there was no move to "hand anyone over".
    You should be more honest about this. The Taliban never offerred to turn Osama Bin Laden over to the U.S. That's what we wanted and that's what they avoided. They offerred to try him themselves. They offerred to turn him over to a third Islamic government for a trial IF the U.S. could provide proof that he was behind it. They wanted us to compromise with them and allow Islamic Law try him out of our reach.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You missed the point completely. Rosa Parks didn't volunteer to be black in a society where blacks were treated unequal. Rosa Parks actually had a complaint. And it wasn't to "Save the Whales" or "Bring the Troops Home," or any other protestor's fad of the day that seeks her example to legitimize the complaint.

    These "50" are not victims. They each chose to go to war by enlisting in the Army or Marine Corps during a time of war....and now bitch about having to go to war. They are not victims of corporate greed. They did not join the Air Force or Coast Guard where they could have gambled sucessfully and spent their four year contract inside the U.S.....or at worst, aboard a very safe main base in the war zone. And they didn't enlist with the idea that the war was going to end the very day they graduated Boot Training. But now they protest? They are fools. They got what they asked for and now presume to pretend that they were somehow led astray or mistreated.

    By the way....11 years after 9/11, what have protestors managed to do about the war? I guess the "1" hasn't come out of the crowd yet to make that difference. We left Iraq when it was time and we will leave Afghanistan in the same manner. Protestors only accomplish when they have a legitimate social complaint. Otherwise, its just the noise of the frustrated and confused.
    They didn't volunteer to be police men in non declared wars.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    These "50" are not victims.
    Who is saying they are victims? They left the service with different beliefs than they had when they entered. That is what happens as adults. Our life experiences shape who we are and what we believe. And war is a hell of a life experience. It doesn’t affect us all the same way, but it has an effect. They aren’t claiming victimhood. They are claiming the government’s actions are wrong and they are now saying they realize THEY were wrong for participating. They are publically stating they were wrong and are returning the commendations they received for the actions they took. You may disagree with them, but let’s not go misrepresenting what they are saying.

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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They didn't volunteer to be police men in non declared wars.
    They volunteered to do whatever the country asked of them.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They didn't volunteer to be police men in non declared wars.
    That might not have been what they wanted to do, but they knew that that could be one of their missions. If they didn't, then they're just stupid.
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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That might not have been what they wanted to do, but they knew that that could be one of their missions. If they didn't, then they're just stupid.
    So....in your opinion the kids should be proud for being jack booted enforcers iń non declared wars?
    Listen to your conscience....and let it sink in.

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    Re: Veterans symbolically discard service medals at anti-NATO rally

    You should be more honest about this. The Taliban never offerred to turn Osama Bin Laden over to the U.S. That's what we wanted and that's what they avoided. They offerred to try him themselves. They offerred to turn him over to a third Islamic government for a trial IF the U.S. could provide proof that he was behind it. They wanted us to compromise with them and allow Islamic Law try him out of our reach.
    This is false. Prior to the invasion they did change their position and offered to hand him over to the US government.
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