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    House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Friday passed a $642 billion defense bill that abandons the deficit-cutting agreement that President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans backed last summer.

    On a 299-120 vote, lawmakers backed the spending blueprint that adds $8 billion for the military for next year. The bill calls for a missile defense site on the East Coast that the military opposes and restricts the ability of the president to reduce the arsenal of nuclear weapons under a 2010 treaty with Russia. It also preserves ships and aircraft that the Pentagon wanted to retire in a cost-cutting move.
    That's quite a spending increase. I do have one question here. Who controls the House?

    The answer: He who smelt it dealt it. Needless to say, I support Obama's threatened veto on all this pork.

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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    Wooot, deficit!
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    Reducing nuclear weapons arsenal: only ok when Republicans do it.
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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    Shockingly hypocritical and, frankly, unnecessary. Once you have enough nukes to kill all life on Earth, you're good. You've got that "mutually assured destruction" thing covered, so cool it, already.

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    And the real beauty part is that the bill violates the debt ceiling promise that Republicans made last year ... AND they pretend that the spending hike is paid for by pointing to their dead-on-arrival Ryan budget.
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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    What is that, roughly a 2% increase? Not that it makes an increase right without necessity. It appears there are at least a few things, probably a whole lot more that could go on the chopping block that are total fluff and add nothing to our defense capabilities. When it says about which aircraft and ships the DOD would have done away with for cost cutting measures that means only that. Not that they actually wanted to do away with them. I would imagine though that the DOD feels they can do without those the most, so one must wonder why so many members of the house (and not just the GOP mind you) still want it around? Especially the east coast missile system the DOD does not even want at all. That is just plain old corruption right there. Nothing like adding things in the defense budget the DOD does not need or want so that a small amount of very wealthy people can get even more wealthy. The jobs created are likely far less than the cost of building the thing.

    As for the nukes, I am sure we have enough and could spare losing a few... and I am fine with that. However, when considering the MAD scenarios, Its which nukes, their location, yield and the age of them. Nuclear war scenarios are not the same as they were 40 years ago. We actually have a lot less yield in most nukes these days than we used to. Nowadays, wiping out Moscow or where ever will not be an automatic win. It only take a few of those bad boys to do the job so that the opposing government knows that there won't be anything left to defend.

    That works for the sane leaders. Not so much for those who would rather see the U.S. be destroyed at the cost of their own country. We don't have that scenario in play right now, but that doesn't mean we never will. Last I can recall, building and maintaining a nuclear deterrent takes a little longer than paper airplane construction or a city of legos.

    I am fine with cutting nukes, it costs a lot to maintain them and the systems which carry them. We have plenty I am sure to do the job of worst case MAD scenario. What I am concerned with is that politician use numbers alone and not reasonable logic when cutting arsenal.

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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    How does a budget about two times that of any three other countries combined sound?

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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    Is this the bill that included recertification of language allowing the military to take US citizens into custody and detain them indefinitely under the War on Terror banner?
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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    You know in the past when a war ended the defense budget actually dropped.

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    Re: House OKs $642 billion defense bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's quite a spending increase. I do have one question here. Who controls the House?

    The answer: He who smelt it dealt it. Needless to say, I support Obama's threatened veto on all this pork.

    Article is here.
    But the vote was 299-120. That means there was wide bipartisan support for this bill. And here I thought bipartisanship=good.

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