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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am not advocating forcing states to extract their energy but if they refuse to do so as they enjoy the benefits from states that are willing to provide energy for all of America they should be willing to pay those other states for their efforts. Blue states sponging of red states needs to end, suck it up and pull your weight libs. Calif is a perfect example, they have more cars than any other state but refuse to drill their off shore oil reserves, they should pay a tax to states that provide for them what they won't provide for themselves.
    California does pay...it's called "the price at the pump".
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is no such thing as mole men.What do mole men have to do with fracking?
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    hehehehe "fracking".
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's another misconception: the fluid are removed and the formations are flushed with fresh water after the frac job has been completed. The fresh water that is used to flush the formation are tested for purity, per the EPA. Not only does it remove anything that might be harmful to the environment, but it removes inhibiting polymers from the formation that could restrict the product flow.

    I think opposition to frac'ing stems from the fact that most people don't have the first clue how it's done, nor what agents are used in the application.

    Ignorance breeds fear.
    And how much of the flush water is actually recovered? Do you know? Do you know what chemicals are used?
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And how much of the flush water is actually recovered? Do you know?
    100%, but it doesn't matter, because the fresh water is circulated into the formation until it comes back with the required purity per EPA standards. If there is any left, the product will displace it when the well is produce.

    Do you know what chemicals are used?
    What Chemicals Are Used | FracFocus Chemical Disclosure Registry
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'll leave the pros and cons of fracking to others who may or may not know more about it than I do...but here is a bit of information about Vermont that is interesting...even if it is from 2009:








    Vermont - Ap - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


    So...in my opinion this is much to do about nothing.
    Except that 59% of the state utilizes heating oil for home heating. All fine and dandy until that stuff goes up to $5-6 a gallon. But considering its Vermont, they likely have an expectation that the state or DC will take care of them.

    Gas a cheaper and cleaner alternative. I'd be pretty pissed if I lived in Vermont over this.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Am I a drilling genius? Of course not. There's no such thing as a, "drilling genius". My father drilled oil wells for 50 years and he learned new **** until the day he died.

    Do I have enough common sense and experience to know that water doesn't flow up hill? You bet your butt I do.
    Through the process of osmosis fluids can move against gravity. Your argument is invalid. You now have to prove that the fluids used in fracking will not, through the process of osmosis, migrate in to water tables.

    Good luck.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
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    From time to time people will vandalize Wikipedia pages. In the interest of fairness, it would be good of you to note when that revision was made, and when an astute editor at Wikipedia noticed it and corrected it. I would be willing to bet it was within hours, if not minutes.

    Denying wikipedia as a legitimate source of information is so oughts. It's 2012, get over it.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Vermont first state to ban fracking
    expect the population of Vermont to drop drastically in the near future!
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Through the process of osmosis fluids can move against gravity. Your argument is invalid. You now have to prove that the fluids used in fracking will not, through the process of osmosis, migrate in to water tables.

    Good luck.
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    Heck, let's just all live in caves and eat berries, best solution for the environment!

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How about getting rid of cars, thousands of documented deaths a year. Let's shut down all coal fired plants, probably should outlaw McDonalds to keep us safe.

    Heck, let's just all live in caves and eat berries, best solution for the environment!
    I'm sorry, what?
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