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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Actually you're wrong on this one buddy. They're relying on unproven science and to distract you from that have gotten you on some petty trivia.

    Let's get back to the issue.
    I was being sarcastic.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gee whiz! I guess that's why Columbus had such an easy time getting funding for his trip to the New World...oh wait!
    Nicely done. Yet another proof posted on the internets of your lack of knowledge of history.


    Columbus had problems getting the funding because the monarchs he approached had other interests - you know, like defence of their kingdoms.

    Then there was the whole - "we're already trading with the Far East by traveling to the East, why take a chance on crossing an ocean for thousands of miles."

    Oh yeah - they didn't know there was a "New World" in between Europe and China, in fact Columbus insisted he had reached Chinese territories when he first returned to Spain.


    Interesting way to be "sarcastic"
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I was being sarcastic.
    That's not how it was coming across. Sorry. Perhaps some sarcastic emoticon would have clued me in.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    That's not how it was coming across. Sorry. Perhaps some sarcastic emoticon would have clued me in.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    I'll leave the pros and cons of fracking to others who may or may not know more about it than I do...but here is a bit of information about Vermont that is interesting...even if it is from 2009:

    Resources and Consumption

    Vermont has no fossil fuel resources but does have minor renewable energy potential. The Connecticut River, which defines the State’s eastern border with New Hampshire, and Lake Champlain, along the western border with New York, offer hydroelectric power resources. Vermont’s hills and mountains cover most of the State and offer wind power potential, while dense forests in the State's northeast offer biomass resources for home heating and wood-fired electricity generation. Vermont’s total energy consumption is the lowest in the Nation, and per capita energy consumption is among the lowest. The transportation and residential sectors are the State’s leading energy consumers.
    Petroleum

    Vermont ranks last among the 50 States in petroleum product demand and receives supply from neighboring States and Canada. Because it has no air quality non-attainment areas, Vermont allows the statewide use of conventional motor gasoline. (Most States require the use of special fuel blends in non-attainment areas.)
    Natural Gas

    With the exception of Hawaii, Vermont has the lowest natural gas consumption in the United States. Supply is imported primarily for residential use through a small-capacity pipeline from Canada.
    Coal, Electricity, and Renewables

    Vermont is one of only two States in the Nation with no coal-fired power plants; the other is Rhode Island. Vermont generates a higher percentage of its electricity from nuclear power than any other State. The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant typically accounts for about three-fourths of total electricity generation.
    Vermont - Ap - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


    So...in my opinion this is much to do about nothing.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

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    CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.
    Vermont first state to ban fracking - CNN.com


    I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done. They are like leeches on America, perfectly willing to get reduced prices on fuel from other states like North Dakota but not willing to do their share for our country. Hey Vermont, Kiss My Ass!
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    It's not a new technology, but the scale of its use is certainly a major change. I would say that its safety is an open question.

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    It's actually not a new procedure. It started in the 40's. The current technique has been used since the 90's. There has been extensive testing. Dallas hasn't sunk into the earth yet. (see Barnett Shale)
    The U.S. Geological Survey is set to release its findings Wednesday that a "remarkable" increase of quakes in the U.S. midcontinent since 2001 is "almost certainly" the result of oil and gas production. However, the lead author of the report, Bill Ellsworth, emphasized in an interview with the U.S. televison network CNBC that the earthquakes aren't caused by the fracking process itself that is used to extract the gas. Rather, earthquakes have been linked to the injection of wastewater produced during fracking back into the ground in order to dispose of it.

    U.K. experts, meanwhile, point to a study released Monday that found recent earthquakes in northwest England were caused by fluid injection into a nearby fault zone as evidence fracking can be safe when conducted by responsible operators.
    OTOH....

    President Obama's Interior Department (DOI) today contradicted media reports on a government study that supposedly tied natural gas drilling and fracking to a rise in earthquakes.

    "There is no evidence to suggest that hydraulic fracturing itself is the cause of the increased rate of earthquakes," Interior Department Deputy Secretary David Hayes wrote today. Hayes does believe that a rise in minor earthquakes is "man-made," but added that "it remains to be determined if they are related to either changes in production methodologies or to the rate of oil and gas production."


    Read more: DOI: 'No evidence' fracking causes earthquakes | NewsOK.com
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'll leave the pros and cons of fracking to others who may or may not know more about it than I do...but here is a bit of information about Vermont that is interesting...even if it is from 2009:








    Vermont - Ap - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


    So...in my opinion this is much to do about nothing.
    Their low energy consumption is due to low population but you have some interesting stats on their energy reserves. Apparently their ban on fracking is a political stunt that will have no real consequence. I still think though that any state that refuses to help in getting the US off Arab fuel dependence with an anti energy production policy such as Calif refusing to drill off shore or Vermont making an anti fracking statement should be charged a NIMBY tax at the pump. Ten cents a gallon maybe that would be distributed to states that are willing to step up and help with our energy situation.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Am I a drilling genius? Of course not. There's no such thing as a, "drilling genius". My father drilled oil wells for 50 years and he learned new **** until the day he died.

    Do I have enough common sense and experience to know that water doesn't flow up hill? You bet your butt I do.
    Why don't you try this experiment, Pasteur: find a hole, drop a hose down into it, turn on the spigot, and see if water doesn't come up out of the hole. Please report your results.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.
    Vermont first state to ban fracking - CNN.com


    I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done. They are like leeches on America, perfectly willing to get reduced prices on fuel from other states like North Dakota but not willing to do their share for our country. Hey Vermont, Kiss My Ass!
    With all the fears of that stuff leaking and contaminating the land and ground water I really don't blame Vermont. Its not like you can send someone down there to clean it up if it does contaminate the area underground.
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