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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How does frac'ing threaten peoples's health and livelihoods?
    That dude wouldn't know what frackin' was if it hit him in the frickin' frackin' head.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Vermont is a great place. A couple of years ago I had the most wonderful pumpkin pancakes at a diner about twenty miles outside of Burlington.

    I like Vermont.

    and they have the single best member of the Senate - Bernie Sanders.

    Yes, a truly great state.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's new, is the employment of hydraulic fracturing on deep wells--12,000+
    That would be great for the local economy, I suppose the governor decided the potential long-term risks outweigh the short term benefits. Questionable decision, but their economy isn't exactly in desperate need of stimulus at the moment.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    That dude wouldn't know what frackin' was if it hit him in the frickin' frackin' head.
    I know, but I have to ask them to support their comments.

    I already know that they don't understand that shale frac'ing is done at 10,000 to 14,000 feet under the ground that it in no way effects anything, espeicaly since the chems used are EPA approved biodegradable agents.

    I'll never get over the stupidity of your garden variety tree hugger.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is it harmful?
    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    First, fracking isn't harmful.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How does frac'ing threaten peoples's health and livelihoods?
    New Study Predicts Frack Fluids Can Migrate to Aquifers Within Years - ProPublica
    "concluding that fracking chemicals injected into the ground could migrate toward drinking water supplies far more quickly than experts have previously predicted."
    "But the study, using computer modeling, concluded that natural faults and fractures in the Marcellus, exacerbated by the effects of fracking itself, could allow chemicals to reach the surface in as little as "just a few years."
    "The study in Ground Water is the first peer-reviewed research evaluating this possibility."
    "fracking will dramatically speed up the movement of chemicals injected into the ground."
    "As a result, chemicals left underground are still being pushed away from the drill site long after drilling is finished. It can take five or six years before the natural balance of pressure in the underground system is fully restored, the study found."

    http://www.urpasheville.org/proceedi...rs/NP52000.pdf
    "According to Theo Colborn, approximately 37% of the chemicals used in the extraction and refining of natural gas
    can volatilize. 89% of these chemicals can harm the eyes, skin, sensory organs, respiratory tract and gastrointestinal tract. Additionally, 81% of these volatile chemicals can damage the brain and/or nervous system. Volatile chemicals tend to have a greater effect on human health because they can become inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through the skin. Three groups of volatile compounds that have adverse effects on human health include ozone, hydrogen sulfide, and BTEX"
    "According to the Oil and Gas Accountability Project (OGAP), drilling fluids that return to the surface “may contain dissolved and suspended contaminants including cadmium, arsenic, and metals such as mercury, copper and lead; hydrocarbons; hydrogen sulfide and natural gas, as well as drilling mud additives, many of which contain potentially harmful chemicals (e.g., chromate, barite)”

    fracking | 5 Facts about Fracking Every Family Needs to Know | Rodale News
    "649 different chemicals, more than half of which are known to disrupt the endocrine system. Exposure to these types of chemicals has been linked to certain cancers, diabetes, obesity, and metabolic syndrome (the name for a group of risk factors that occur together and increase the risk for heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes). Fifty-five percent of the chemicals cause brain and nervous system damage, and many are linked to cancer and organ damage. The threat of exposure to these chemicals occurs via contaminated air, water, and soil."
    "A 2010 study out of the University of Buffalo found that natural gas drilling using the fracking method could potentially contaminate water supplies with uranium."

    Marcellus Shale Fracking Wastewater Harmful
    "A new paper by Natural Resources Defense Council says hydraulic fracturing (fracking) generates massive amounts of polluted wastewater in in the Marcellus Shale that threatens the health of drinking water supplies, rivers, streams, and groundwater - and that federal and state regulations have not kept pace with the dramatic growth of fracking and must be strengthened to reduce the risks of health issues throughout the Marcellus region."

    Light Your Water On Fire from Gas Drilling, Fracking - YouTube
    GASLAND Trailer 2010 - YouTube


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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    That would be great for the local economy, I suppose the governor decided the potential long-term risks outweigh the short term benefits. Questionable decision, but their economy isn't exactly in desperate need of stimulus at the moment.
    What are the long term risks?

    I'm sorry to keep asking that, but I want to prove a point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

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    New Study Predicts Frack Fluids Can Migrate to Aquifers Within Years - ProPublica
    "concluding that fracking chemicals injected into the ground could migrate toward drinking water supplies far more quickly than experts have previously predicted."
    "But the study, using computer modeling, concluded that natural faults and fractures in the Marcellus, exacerbated by the effects of fracking itself, could allow chemicals to reach the surface in as little as "just a few years."
    "The study in Ground Water is the first peer-reviewed research evaluating this possibility."
    "fracking will dramatically speed up the movement of chemicals injected into the ground."
    "As a result, chemicals left underground are still being pushed away from the drill site long after drilling is finished. It can take five or six years before the natural balance of pressure in the underground system is fully restored, the study found."

    http://www.urpasheville.org/proceedi...rs/NP52000.pdf
    "According to Theo Colborn, approximately 37% of the chemicals used in the extraction and refining of natural gas
    can volatilize. 89% of these chemicals can harm the eyes, skin, sensory organs, respiratory tract and gastrointestinal tract. Additionally, 81% of these volatile chemicals can damage the brain and/or nervous system. Volatile chemicals tend to have a greater effect on human health because they can become inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through the skin. Three groups of volatile compounds that have adverse effects on human health include ozone, hydrogen sulfide, and BTEX"
    "According to the Oil and Gas Accountability Project (OGAP), drilling fluids that return to the surface “may contain dissolved and suspended contaminants including cadmium, arsenic, and metals such as mercury, copper and lead; hydrocarbons; hydrogen sulfide and natural gas, as well as drilling mud additives, many of which contain potentially harmful chemicals (e.g., chromate, barite)”

    fracking | 5 Facts about Fracking Every Family Needs to Know | Rodale News
    "649 different chemicals, more than half of which are known to disrupt the endocrine system. Exposure to these types of chemicals has been linked to certain cancers, diabetes, obesity, and metabolic syndrome (the name for a group of risk factors that occur together and increase the risk for heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes). Fifty-five percent of the chemicals cause brain and nervous system damage, and many are linked to cancer and organ damage. The threat of exposure to these chemicals occurs via contaminated air, water, and soil."
    "A 2010 study out of the University of Buffalo found that natural gas drilling using the fracking method could potentially contaminate water supplies with uranium."

    Marcellus Shale Fracking Wastewater Harmful
    "A new paper by Natural Resources Defense Council says hydraulic fracturing (fracking) generates massive amounts of polluted wastewater in in the Marcellus Shale that threatens the health of drinking water supplies, rivers, streams, and groundwater - and that federal and state regulations have not kept pace with the dramatic growth of fracking and must be strengthened to reduce the risks of health issues throughout the Marcellus region."

    Light Your Water On Fire from Gas Drilling, Fracking - YouTube
    GASLAND Trailer 2010 - YouTube
    Biased sources to support the claim...

    Prove that it has happened. Once.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    for those who think fracking is just fine and dandy with no repercussions on the environment, peoples' health and jobs, I offer the following

    toxic chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing

    then there is the documentary film Gasland You may have seen the clip that showed a guy putting a match under the faucet in his kitchen sink and getting a nice little flame.

    and
    Hydraulic Fracturing Causes 'Remarkable' Increase In Quakes, Tremors, Studies Report

    Fracking: drilling method 'to be extended' despite causing Blackpool earthquakes
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Saying that this legislation that "threatens job creation", is banning a practice that threatens peoples health and livelihood i kinda think its worth it to ban this practice...
    one of the more interesting splits in the far left is between the yuppie environmentalists and the true laborites. The yuppies want to preserve their playgrounds in nature-they oppose anything that might interfere with their hangliding or rafting

    on the other side are those who understand that environmental extremism actually hurts real working men and women. the spotted owl idiocy hurt loggers for example, home builders, carpenters etc.

    you appear to be one of the yuppie trustafarian socialists

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Something else people don't realize, I can make unemployment numbers look good with tons of minimum wage jobs. The jobs provided by oil and gas drilling, and I'm sure fracking too, start out around the mid 40's and go up from there. These jobs aren't McDonalds jobs, they are very good paying long term jobs. They may not make the unemployment numbers jump too much, but they sure add to the GDP of the state they are in.
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