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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, there have been studies, including studies that show serious contamination issues. One such study was done by the University of Texas which can hardly be described as a hotbed of environmentalism or an enemy of the oil and gas industry.

    Some of the wells are deep, of course. But the thing about wells is ... the go all the way up to the surface.

    I'll post the link again as it seems you did't check it out yet. Hydraulic fracturing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But, but .... that's Wikipedia! (insert sarcasm gif here)
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, there have been studies, including studies that show serious contamination issues. One such study was done by the University of Texas which can hardly be described as a hotbed of environmentalism or an enemy of the oil and gas industry.

    Some of the wells are deep, of course. But the thing about wells is ... the go all the way up to the surface.

    I'll post the link again as it seems you did't check it out yet. Hydraulic fracturing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I understand stand there have been issues with certain wells due to errors by the driller. That is why we have regulators to weed out the bad players. This process has been going on for many decades and now we need to study it.

    I know we disagree but I think that this administration has found a way to slow down or shut down industries it has a problem with. Rather than legislate change which they can't do both because of republican opposition but also because the public may not agree, they use the rulebook sort of like a union that calls for a slowdown rather than a strike.

    I know it is cute and it seems the game is to see who can get away with what, have a plausible story and not break out laughing. Not sure we can continue to be a great power for much longer with this type of gamesmanship.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    But, but .... that's Wikipedia! (insert sarcasm gif here)
    but, but you act like a child. doubt if you earned the money to live in palm beach.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    but, but you act like a child. doubt if you earned the money to live in palm beach.
    So what do you think? I either earned the money, inherited the money or married the money - what do you think?
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I know for a fact that the ID of chemical additives is not mandated by current federal law, so I question whether your other claims are true.

    Obviously there is a lot that isn't known, and that is still being studied. Hydraulic fracturing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    They must have MSDS's for each chemical additive. That is mandated by current federal law. The ingredients of each additive are required to be in the MSDS unless it can be labeled as a trade secret, at which point the manufacturer must abide by Federal standards on trade secrets. Even then, they would have to provide enough information to track and monitor a spill. Same rules as everyone else.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Just wondering why you and others are treating this as some type of new process. It is my understanding that drillers have been using drilling for decades. I understand that the practice seems to have expanded and greatly increased our proven reserves especially of natural gas. That being said why the new hysteria?
    Because global warming hysteria makes people want to stop the use of any and all fossil fuels.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Because global warming hysteria makes people want to stop the use of any and all fossil fuels.

    Just wish Obama and the democrats would be honest and say just that. Then let the people decide.

    Perhaps the great Obama simply does not trust the great unwashed to come up with the correct (his) answer.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done.
    Don't the costs of moving the stuff get passed on to the folks who order it?
    That's par for the course with many other things. The shipping gets added in to the price.
    Is it different with natural gas?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I understand stand there have been issues with certain wells due to errors by the driller. That is why we have regulators to weed out the bad players. This process has been going on for many decades and now we need to study it.

    I know we disagree but I think that this administration has found a way to slow down or shut down industries it has a problem with. Rather than legislate change which they can't do both because of republican opposition but also because the public may not agree, they use the rulebook sort of like a union that calls for a slowdown rather than a strike.

    I know it is cute and it seems the game is to see who can get away with what, have a plausible story and not break out laughing. Not sure we can continue to be a great power for much longer with this type of gamesmanship.
    AFAIK, "this administration" doesn't have anything to do with the Vermont legislature's actions. In fact there has been explosive growth in fracking during Obama's tenure. So much so that it's caused a collapse in natural gas prices due to oversupply.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, there have been studies, including studies that show serious contamination issues. One such study was done by the University of Texas which can hardly be described as a hotbed of environmentalism or an enemy of the oil and gas industry.

    Some of the wells are deep, of course. But the thing about wells is ... the go all the way up to the surface.

    I'll post the link again as it seems you did't check it out yet. Hydraulic fracturing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    UT doesn't seem to think that frac'ing is too big of a deal. They own a million+ acres in Irion, Crockett and Reagan counties that is having the hell frac'ed out of it.
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