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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Funny how you didn't bother to address one of my points.

    Do you always dodge and evade when proven wrong?
    In this case I merely use your own words and pompous pronouncements right back at you

    Production in Michigan is so minimal that it's not really relevant.
    That is the opposite of dodging or evading. It is reminding you of your own words and your own position.

    Of course, when you realized you had backed yourself into a corner, then the elaborate rationalizations come out. It is pretty funny.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In this case I merely use your own words and pompous pronouncements right back at you



    That is the opposite of dodging or evading. It is reminding you of your own words and your own position.

    Of course, when you realized you had backed yourself into a corner, then the elaborate rationalizations come out. It is pretty funny.
    There is no corner. You didn't address the points. Production in Michigan isn't relevant to anyone but Michigan.

    The grand scale? It's not relevant. And frankly Michigan hasn't been relevant since well... It's been that long.

    When you find it within yourself to be intellectually honest (and I'm not holding my breath on this one), you'll address the points. The reason you aren't addressing them, is because you can't. You're just trying to win some high school debate game that has nothing to do with discourse and everything to do with avoidance and lazy thought.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    There is no corner. You didn't address the points. Production in Michigan isn't relevant to anyone but Michigan.
    I see.

    When I feel it is important for the State and people of Michigan to know exactly what is being pumped into the earth below their feet, you tell me

    Production in Michigan is so minimal that it's not really relevant.

    But when you want to try to explain away why you were wrong, it is suddenly very relevant.

    Got it.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sadly, my state of Michigan is not on that disclosure list - as most other states are not either.

    Until they reveal just what they are putting into the ground in Michigan and in what quantities and what the long term effects are, we are simply putting public safety into the wrong hands. The same applies to every other state on that map without a red dot on it where fracking is being carried out.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    From the web page:
    So why were the lobbyists for these fracking companies so secretive when they visited our offices to push for support on this issue?
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So why were the lobbyists for these fracking companies so secretive when they visited our offices to push for support on this issue?
    I dont know who companies those were and was not there so I cannot tell you.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sadly, my state of Michigan is not on that disclosure list - as most other states are not either.

    Until they reveal just what they are putting into the ground in Michigan and in what quantities and what the long term effects are, we are simply putting public safety into the wrong hands. The same applies to every other state on that map without a red dot on it where fracking is being carried out.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you have to do is present your data right here. But you are impotent to do that.

    Fracking companies hold their formulas close as proprietary secrets. We have no idea what it is they are putting in the ground in what quantities and what the long term effect is.

    But by all means do prove me wrong and show us all right here.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    That's OK. Vermont can do as they please. Besides, Kansas just banned off shore windmills. So it evens out.

    The docking or storage fees for boats are very high in Kansas too so that makes sense to me.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Yeah, lying again...

    Let's try this one more time.

    1. Michigan gas production is so minimal to the national economy that it is irrelevant.
    I think the point is that the identity of the chemicals potentially being pumped into Michigan's water supply is perfectly relevant to people in Michigan.
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