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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    With respect to your post quoted above, what do you mean by the reference to "ignorance?" How is ignorance the problem? How does one eliminate ignorance?
    I think you are proving my point. No offense.

    People asking "what do you mean by the reference to "ignorance", is a prime example of the type of ignorance we live with today. People, generally speaking, are ill informed, poorly educated, and mentally lazy. They don't take the time to research and think through problems. The desire for instant gratification has led to an abandonment of self-education and life-long learning.

    The best way to eliminate ignorance? Beat your children.

    Of course, I say that tongue-in-cheek, but only marginally. We, as a society, have abandoned the discipline and drive necessary to overcome ignorance. The only answer to overcoming such ignorance is some sort of economic, social, or natural disaster that forces people to pull their head out and start thinking about the consequences of their actions and in-action.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

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    Too bad.









    I'm just kidding. I live in Houston and do not like Dallas highways.
    Houston makes me hope Global Warming is real and imminent... j/k

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    First, you're smarter than Wiki... So act like it.

    http://www.rrc.state.tx.us/rules/pro...sure-Aug29.PDF

    States have created laws REQUIRING disclosure.
    Wow, that's impressive. Page one of the memo about these proposed rules starts talking about what doesn't have to be disclosed and it runs through page two of the memo, relating to what doesn't have to be disclosed if it's claimed to be a "trade secret". Powerful stuff. Can you predict how these diclosures are going to work? Hint: inert chemicals are reported while really nasty chemicals are "trade secrets".
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    I think you are proving my point. No offense.

    People asking "what do you mean by the reference to "ignorance", is a prime example of the type of ignorance we live with today. People, generally speaking, are ill informed, poorly educated, and mentally lazy. They don't take the time to research and think through problems. The desire for instant gratification has led to an abandonment of self-education and life-long learning.

    The best way to eliminate ignorance? Beat your children.

    Of course, I say that tongue-in-cheek, but only marginally. We, as a society, have abandoned the discipline and drive necessary to overcome ignorance. The only answer to overcoming such ignorance is some sort of economic, social, or natural disaster that forces people to pull their head out and start thinking about the consequences of their actions and in-action.
    No offense taken. My ignorance doesn't bother me because most of the ego was beaten out of me long ago.

    If you are referring to education and the ability to think critically, I agree with you.

    I don't know you so I thought I would start a conversation with you based on the wording of your post.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Wow, that's impressive. Page one of the memo about these proposed rules starts talking about what doesn't have to be disclosed and it runs through page two of the memo, relating to what doesn't have to be disclosed if it's claimed to be a "trade secret". Powerful stuff. Can you predict how these diclosures are going to work? Hint: inert chemicals are reported while really nasty chemicals are "trade secrets".
    They were actually passed, as is, but the full text of it hasn't been recorded in the public register as of yet. At least online.

    You're making arguments against the oil industry you're not making against any other industry. Pesticides and herbicides pose a greater threat to our water supply and are being used in massive quantities over the largest freshwater source in the nation.

    If you want to see a conspiracy, you will find one. If you want to see bad faith, you will find it. Not because it is there, but because that's what you're looking for.

    The truth of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence that fracking poses the sort of threats asserted by the environmental crowd. And really, at the end of the day, it's not going to matter. Even if you find that fracking is a big bad ugly. We do not have the will or technological ability to get off of oil and so fracking is going to happen. It's going to happen because people would rather be comfortable now.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    They were actually passed, as is, but the full text of it hasn't been recorded in the public register as of yet. At least online.

    You're making arguments against the oil industry you're not making against any other industry. Pesticides and herbicides pose a greater threat to our water supply and are being used in massive quantities over the largest freshwater source in the nation.

    If you want to see a conspiracy, you will find one. If you want to see bad faith, you will find it. Not because it is there, but because that's what you're looking for.

    The truth of the matter is that there is no conclusive evidence that fracking poses the sort of threats asserted by the environmental crowd. And really, at the end of the day, it's not going to matter. Even if you find that fracking is a big bad ugly. We do not have the will or technological ability to get off of oil and so fracking is going to happen. It's going to happen because people would rather be comfortable now.
    We weren't talking about the pesticide industry so why would I be arguing about that? As I mentioned above, I'm not saying that fracking chemicals pose a health hazard. I'm simply saying that they use plenty of nasty chemicals, there isn't full disclosure, and it bears further inquiry.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    We weren't talking about the pesticide industry so why would I be arguing about that? As I mentioned above, I'm not saying that fracking chemicals pose a health hazard. I'm simply saying that they use plenty of nasty chemicals, there isn't full disclosure, and it bears further inquiry.
    And I'm saying that we don't hold other industries to the same standard though they are clearly as dangerous if not more so. So instead of singling out petroleum (as we love to do in this country), let's take this ground-water thing seriously or just say screw it.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And where oh where would that exactly be?

    I saw a list of most often used chemicals but there was no mention of the quantity of what was used. And the list was incomplete.



    Two pills may help my pain. Twentyfive may kill me.

    What is the dosage here? Without that information, this is fairly meaningless data.
    Well, then do your own research. It's not my job to prove your point for you.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, what you provided was a list of chemicals that are sometimes used in fracking. There is no requirement that companies divulge the chemicals they are actually using.
    Actually, per the Clean Water Act of 1977, companies are required to report what chemicals they use and designate reportable and non-reportable quanities and supply MSDS's for each agent that is being employed.

    When companies introduce drilling additives to a wellbore, or mineral formation, they must apply for a permit with the EPA and will be subject inspection by someone from the EPA.

    As I pointed out to Haymarket, it's up to you to prove me wrong. Since you're so convinced that I am wrong, it shouldn't be hard for you to accomplish that. So, it begs the question: what are you waiting for?
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    This is actually untrue. There are disclosure requirements (at least in states with any significant production). Most states use FracFocus.

    Home | FracFocus Chemical Disclosure Registry
    Not only that, but the license requirements for individual water and oil well drillers require that the use of these agents, the amounts and the depths at which they are used be accurately logged and submitted to the state to be permanently filed.

    Every logged well is subject to survey by the state to test the accuracy of the driller's log. Texas only allows a 5 foot margin of error in reporting aggregate changes downhole.
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