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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Just tossing this out there, Vermont sees a lot of tourist trade as an unspoiled wilderness type of state. Having the heavy industry of fracking around would decidedly mar that imagery associated with the state. I can definitely see this entering into the decision that they made.

    After the wells are completed, this is what you will see.



    There isn't much damage to the scenery.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What are the long term risks?

    I'm sorry to keep asking that, but I want to prove a point.
    If you would be good enough to supply us with the list of chemicals and the amounts, we can get you that answer.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I understand that you were wrong and I'm thinking you do too.
    I'm not wrong, because I have enough sense to know that when a well is produced, any residual water in the formation is forces out because THE WELLBORE IS UNDER PRESSURE!!! It ain't rocket science, my friend.

    When the well testers complete the well...here, you can learn who the well testers are:Well Testing, Schlumberger

    They have to pump the water completely out of the formation, so the product can flow. i.e. displacement. It's like having air, or water in the fuel system of a diesel engine. Before the engine will run, the air and water has to be removed.

    I understand all this because I know the difference between a BOP stack and a v-door.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you would be good enough to supply us with the list of chemicals and the amounts, we can get you that answer.
    I already have. Try and keep up, please. Thank you.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Policy should be based on fact not fear.
    Which facts? The facts by companies who have a lot to gain from from fracturing or the facts by those who see this as a actual concern?
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There isn't much damage to the scenery.
    Wasn't the contention, however, what was going on below ground; not above?
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which facts? The facts by companies who have a lot to gain from from fracturing or the facts by those who see this as a actual concern?
    The facts that point out that frac'ing isn't as hazardous as some folks are trying to make out.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    After the wells are completed, this is what you will see.



    There isn't much damage to the scenery.
    Yet they are more than willing to destroy 7,025 acres of pristine desert landscape and Native American sacred ground for a bankrupt solar project.

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    It's a travesty and an assault against Native Americans that any of the Blythe geoglyphs should be desecrated in this fashion. I guess the Chemehuevi, the Fort Mojave, the Quechan tribes don't have big money to stop them.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Don't worry, nobody is pumping toxic chemicals into the ground.

    Even if they did, they would send their Oompa Loompas down there to scrub everything clean afterwards.

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