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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Just tossing this out there, Vermont sees a lot of tourist trade as an unspoiled wilderness type of state. Having the heavy industry of fracking around would decidedly mar that imagery associated with the state. I can definitely see this entering into the decision that they made.


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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Just tossing this out there, Vermont sees a lot of tourist trade as an unspoiled wilderness type of state. Having the heavy industry of fracking around would decidedly mar that imagery associated with the state. I can definitely see this entering into the decision that they made.

    Except for one thing...they don't have any natural gas in the ground.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

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    From time to time people will vandalize Wikipedia pages. In the interest of fairness, it would be good of you to note when that revision was made, and when an astute editor at Wikipedia noticed it and corrected it. I would be willing to bet it was within hours, if not minutes.

    Denying wikipedia as a legitimate source of information is so oughts. It's 2012, get over it.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    And how much of the flush water is actually recovered? Do you know?
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    100%, but it doesn't matter, because the fresh water is circulated into the formation until it comes back with the required purity per EPA standards. If there is any left, the product will displace it when the well is produce.
    No, only 30-50% of the water is reclaimed. So much for your expertise.

    Do you know what chemicals are used?
    First, there is no disclosure requirement as to what chemicals are used. Second, independent tests of fracking water have uncovered mulitple carcinogenic chemicals, like benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene. In other words, 50-70% of the flush water stays in the ground, and it's laced with carcinogens.

    In April 2011, the Ground Water Protection Council, in conjunction with the industry, began releasing well-by-well lists of hydraulic fracturing chemicals at [11].[101] Disclosure is still on a voluntary basis. Lists do not include all substances used; a complete listing of the specific chemical formulation of additives used in hydraulic fracturing operations is still not currently made available to landowners, neighbors, local officials, or health care providers, let alone the general public. This practice is under scrutiny.[102] Two studies released in 2009, one by the U.S. Department of Energy and the other released by the Ground Water Protection Council, address hydraulic fracturing safety concerns. Chemicals which can be used in the fracturing fluid include kerosene, benzene, toluene, xylene, and formaldehyde.[103][103]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraul...s#cite_ref-101
    I'm not saying that this is necessarily dangerous to human life, but it is certainly cause for concern and it merits additional study.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Wikipedia is not a legitimate source. Maybe for highschool.
    Wiki is better than 90% of the non-wiki sources I see cited here.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.
    Vermont first state to ban fracking - CNN.com


    I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done. They are like leeches on America, perfectly willing to get reduced prices on fuel from other states like North Dakota but not willing to do their share for our country. Hey Vermont, Kiss My Ass!
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Somehow I have a feeling they won't be the last. It's a relatively new procedure and the long term effects aren't necessarily evident at the moment. On a side note, most of the more industrialized states who are active in drilling and refining already enjoy much lower energy costs than their urban counterparts contrary to what you implied in the second half of your post.
    I live in the mountains (3000 ft elevation) in Southern California. I live in a 1100 sq ft 1962 built home heated with Natural Gas (hot water too). During the winter it costs me less than $50 a month to heat with added blown in insulation in the attic.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Through the process of osmosis fluids can move against gravity. Your argument is invalid. You now have to prove that the fluids used in fracking will not, through the process of osmosis, migrate in to water tables.

    Good luck.
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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I'm sorry, what?
    There have been many thousands of wells drilled using this technology. Very little if any proven damage. Now could something happen if there is a irresponsible driller out there, yes. But to stop any industry just someone might do something bad seems stupid to me.

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    Re: Vermont first state to ban fracking

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, only 30-50% of the water is reclaimed. So much for your expertise.





    First, there is no disclosure requirement as to what chemicals are used. Second, independent tests of fracking water have uncovered mulitple carcinogenic chemicals, like benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene. In other words, 50-70% of the flush water stays in the ground, and it's laced with carcinogens.



    I'm not saying that this is necessarily dangerous to human life, but it is certainly cause for concern and it merits additional study.
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