Faculty leaving University in droves over statement they must sign [W:89]

Your Star said:

So they can't be human basically?

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Honestly, I think they actually believe all teachers are like Miss Honey. So, they're just ignorant.

Oooooooh, the stories I could tell about my coworkers.....

Paschendale said:

By what possible right does this school think it can dictate the private lives of its employees? Anything off of school grounds is none of their business.

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It is a private religious institution and does have a right to to have moral conduct and belief requirements. That being said, some thought should have been made in making up the clause so that the institution could retain more members. Now, of course, it is likely that, that College will have to suspend services until they can replace the bulk of those who resigned

vendur said:

It's a weird document called the constitution. Only racist homopobes care about it. I say we wrap them all up in and burn them.

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The Constitution says that employers can dictate what their workers do in the privacy of their own bedrooms on the weekends?

maybe the Constitution of Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

Shadow Serious said:

Here is another example:

Oklahoma Senate panel blocks Democrat from Election Board | NewsOK.com

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maybe we should block homophobes from govt. office.

While it is completely within their right to do this, it is also within the rights of their staff to leave and their students to find other schools. I know this is going to come out as mean, but I honestly hope this hurts them enough that they either have to change their policies back or close. It would suck for those students who really want to learn there, but it is likely that they would get a better education somewhere more tolerant anyway.

The world is changing to a more tolerant place, particularly of homosexuality and premarital sex. Those unwilling to change with it or worse, take steps back to being more intolerance, are likely to find themselves left behind.

Thunder said:

The Constitution says that employers can dictate what their workers do in the privacy of their own bedrooms on the weekends?

maybe the Constitution of Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

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I see you know as much about constitutional law as you do everything else. Feel free to work somewhere else, though, if you feel their draconian rules don't match your hedonistic lifestyle.

Yes they have the right to discriminate. It's stupid to do so. It's even more stupid to do so after the fact. You're getting rid of people who have been loyal to your institution and integral to its operation. If they don't fold, it will be shocking. Finding qualified candidates to fill the positions before next term is going to be a rush. They'll have to contract and in private education, that's a death knell.

Im not actually sure that they are within their rights to do this. As far as I know you cannot fire people for doing legal activities on their off time.

Omgitsme said:

Im not actually sure that they are within their rights to do this. As far as I know you cannot fire people for doing legal activities on their off time.

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They are as soon as they sign the dotted line. Don't like it, don't sign.

Omgitsme said:

Im not actually sure that they are within their rights to do this. As far as I know you cannot fire people for doing legal activities on their off time.

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Depends on what state you're in.

vendur said:

They are as soon as they sign the dotted line. Don't like it, don't sign.

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Depending upon the state.

dabateman said:

Depends on what state you're in.

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Yeah I just looked up employment laws in Georgia on off duty conduct and found there arnt any so apparently they were in their rights.

vendur-
That seems like a very poor comparison. If the gay judge wrote extensive opinions on pushing the activist gay agenda, ie gays should move to the front of any hiring/adoption/appointment line ya have a point. If the judge is openly gay but rules in accordance to existing Virginia law... you have none what so ever.

The Taliwackers didn't start out loping heads off and beating slattern women, they stood for restoring traditional values that had been suppressed by the Soviets. Those bad ol' Commies had dared to educate women and place them in the workforce. Bad ol' Commies!

I can see where the private sector is sacred crowd wants the 'marketplace' to decide discrimination outside of the government. It is an attractive siren. I hesitate to give it too much credit for being a steady hand, it's track record isn't the best. For large segments of the society it works fairly well, women getting the vote was a bit slow but at least it got done. Prohibition not so better but corrected once organized crime was well established.

But for smaller groups it lacks the clout. I can't get on board with blacks first being freed and then a century later gaining something close to an end to outright discrimination if we relied on just the private sector to guide us to that better place.

I am of the mind it doesn't matter what one does in the privacy of their home so no one not even a religious organization gets to dictate the private life of an employee. If the employee is also an follower, no problem. If the employee creates a major scandal then a very carefully worded morals clause sounds enforceable, but not a blanket prohibition.

justabubba said:

oral roberts or liberty university, which did you attend instead?

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This reminds me of a joke............ What do you call two gay guys named Bob?

Somerville said:

Faculty leaving University in droves over statement they must sign


A small Baptist school in Georgia has recently required its faculty members to sign a statement that would cause them to swear to behaving in a certain way



One of those who has not resigned is the librarian, Mr Wilson. He's gay and he crossed out the line "I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality." when he signed the doctrinal behaviour statement. He does not expect to keep his position at the school and has already sent his resume to several other colleges.

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A religious school wanting it's faculty to abide by it's religious moral code? Say it ain't so. What next someone getting a speeding ticket for going 10 miles over the speed limit, a fat man at a all-you-can-eat buffet, a crack whore selling her body for crack, MSNBC trying to paint republicans as racist, a thread in the conspiracy forum section about how Obama's birth certificate is a fake, or dog peeing on a tree to mark it's territory?

justabubba said:

and who said sharia law would not come to the US
clearly, our own version is alive and healthy in GA

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What law are we talking about here?

Thunder said:

maybe we should block homophobes from govt. office.

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So you are presuming they are homophobes, instead of it being a conflict of interest issue.

Somerville said:

Faculty leaving University in droves over statement they must sign


A small Baptist school in Georgia has recently required its faculty members to sign a statement that would cause them to swear to behaving in a certain way



One of those who has not resigned is the librarian, Mr Wilson. He's gay and he crossed out the line "I reject as acceptable all sexual activity not in agreement with the Bible, including, but not limited to, premarital sex, adultery, and homosexuality." when he signed the doctrinal behaviour statement. He does not expect to keep his position at the school and has already sent his resume to several other colleges.

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Private school - their rules.

Faculty took a hike - their right.

Sounds like it's worked out to everyone's benefit.


I don't care. Lots and lots of colleges and universities to choose from - pick one.

Billy the Kid said:

Private school - their rules.

Faculty took a hike - their right.

Sounds like it's worked out to everyone's benefit.


I don't care. Lots and lots of colleges and universities to choose from - pick one.

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Actually the school is hurting from this, so no it didn't work out to everyone's benefit. School should have thought of this before implementing such a rule.

Your Star said:

Actually the school is hurting from this, so no it didn't work out to everyone's benefit. School should have thought of this before implementing such a rule.

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If the school didn't realize it would loose teachers because of this action, then their bad. We learn, or most do, from our mistakes.

Billy the Kid said:

If the school didn't realize it would loose teachers because of this action, then their bad. We learn, or most do, from our mistakes.

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I am sure they thought they would lose some, not have to completely rebuild departments.

This is a great thing right? It is proof positive that homophobia and religious influence is indeed greatly diminished in this country. The school will have to close or greatly reduce its curricuum because of their policies.. If you are for gay rights and personal freedom you should be very encouraged. In the battle between religion and the influences they fight against (Feminism, abortion, homosexuality, secularism, etc.) religious and conservative values are the clear loser. It has been that way for the last 50 years. All the terrible things they predicted would happen to society have come true.

I'm not surprised. It's the Baptists. They didn't believe in dancing for a long time, either.

Thunder said:

ah, so the Christian Taliban IS real!

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It seems that there ought to be an extension of Godwin's Law, that applies to gratuitous comparisons with the Taliban and other instances of extreme radical forms of Islam. Such comparisons are certainly becoming more common these days than Hitler/Nazi references are, for the purpose that Godwin's Law was intended to address.

DiAnna said:

And so it begins... :lol:

Seriously, by this time people should understand that if they work for any institution... hospital, university, etc. ... that is religiously controlled, that control will eventually be forced upon them, whether they want it or not.

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That's not entirely true...a lot of good Catholic Universities pride themselves in very good insitituions of higher learning that would see a revolt by students/alumni/professors if they tried to pull this crap.