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Census: Minorities now surpass whites in US births

Isn't it beyond obvious the vast majority of all voters are not happy with our current state government. At least a decade now of overwhelming disapproval.

Time to change the guard.

As a motorcyclist, I don't think just a "horse guy" would best represent my interests.
As a beer drinker, I don't think a coffee drinker best represents my interests.

I would think, if society was being truly represented, the ratios of race and gender would not be so lopsided in a direction that's quickly becoming a minority.

If true representation was real, I also think the approval rating might be better.

Ok. One more time.

To say that is to say that racial groups (which are biologically imaginary) represent a monolithic interest group. They don't. You are driving in the notion that racial groups are inherently divided, and they should remain that way. You are actually encouraging social racial segregation. We've been doing this for a long time now and it hasn't been working out for us. Racial tension remains extremely high in much of the country, and racial minorities remain under-educated and under-privileged, because they feel ostracized and distrustful of "white" society because we keep insisting the races should continue to be divided and view each other as adversaries because we view race as indicative of monolithic interests that are exclusive to that race.

You are promoting that. If you honestly believe skin color or sex chromosomes dictates political beliefs, you're part of the problem. And that's what you're saying if you think that just having more brown people and people with vaginas will automatically equal better representation.

Having representative numbers of people with superficial characteristics does not a representative government make. How in touch with typical black people do you think either Obama or Herman Cain is? Honestly?

If we become socially integrated and equal enough that we wind up with equal numbers, that's great. That would be an indication that opportunity is, in fact, equal. But going into it with the goal of "we need X people who are this color" rather than "we need a society where all people can achieve" is the wrong goal, and will continue to perpetuate the very problem you're complaining about.
 
In other discussion posters have stated America is a melting pot of different people. Why should it matter the ethno-racial background of a canditate for office? If you like what a canditate stands for and feel they will represent you well, it should not matter.
I agree to a certain extent. However, it's a fact that certain classes, races, genders and so on have specific political interests and societal problems that are understood best by people of their same class, race, gender, etc.. Therefore, ethno-racial background matters. A Congress filled with a bunch of white, straight, wealthy men is a Congress filled with people who
do not fully understand nor sympathize with the problems and needs of most of the country.

Are you not promoting racial divide by saying if a group in under represented, efforts should be made to correct that?
No, I'm acknowledging the racial divides that do exist and the unique problems that face different races in the United States.
 
humans spend a lot of time worrying about the melanin content in other humans' skin.
 
I agree to a certain extent. However, it's a fact that certain classes, races, genders and so on have specific political interests and societal problems that are understood best by people of their same class, race, gender, etc.. Therefore, ethno-racial background matters. A Congress filled with a bunch of white, straight, wealthy men is a Congress filled with people who
do not fully understand nor sympathize with the problems and needs of most of the country.


No, I'm acknowledging the racial divides that do exist and the unique problems that face different races in the United States.

We will disagree. Using your stance, then Obama can't understand or sympathize with the problems or needs of white people?
 
Ok. One more time.

To say that is to say that racial groups (which are biologically imaginary) represent a monolithic interest group. They don't.
No, that is not what it says. However, it does acknowledge that ethno-racial groups, particularly minorities do often share collective interests (which is not even close to the same thing as being monolithic). Do you deny that, for example, Hispanics either share or perceive themselves as sharing specific political interests related to their ethnicity? How about blacks and their "race"?

You are driving in the notion that racial groups are inherently divided, and they should remain that way. You are actually encouraging social racial segregation. We've been doing this for a long time now and it hasn't been working out for us. Racial tension remains extremely high in much of the country, and racial minorities remain under-educated and under-privileged, because they feel ostracized and distrustful of "white" society because we keep insisting the races should continue to be divided and view each other as adversaries because we view race as indicative of monolithic interests that are exclusive to that race.
No, there is nothing in his arguments that drives the notion that "racial groups are inherently divided." He may believe that, I don't know, but his comments thus far have only acknowledged that ethno-racial groups often share political interests or perspectives that are not represented in government. That has nothing to do with "inherent divisions" as most of those differing interests/perspectives are societal in nature.

You are promoting that. If you honestly believe skin color or sex chromosomes dictates political beliefs, you're part of the problem. And that's what you're saying if you think that just having more brown people and people with vaginas will automatically equal better representation.
Skin color and sex chromosomes do not dictate political beliefs. However, how society treats people with of certain races and genders certainly influences peoples' experiences and in turn, their political beliefs. This is why Hispanics, blacks, women and gay Americans often perceive themselves as sharing interests with the other members of their groups and why politicians understand them as unique voting blocks.

Having representative numbers of people with superficial characteristics does not a representative government make.
Yes and no. It's not the superficial characteristics that make a more diverse government more representative of the people. It's the experiences and perspectives that often lie behind the superficial characteristics that make a more diverse government representative of the people.

How in touch with typical black people do you think either Obama or Herman Cain is? Honestly?
Wait, first you get on him for apparently saying that racial groups are a monolithic interest group and then you start talking about "typical black people." Which one is it? And if you believe that there is a "typical black person," then the implication is that there is are "typical" black political interests.

If we become socially integrated and equal enough that we wind up with equal numbers, that's great. That would be an indication that opportunity is, in fact, equal. But going into it with the goal of "we need X people who are this color" rather than "we need a society where all people can achieve" is the wrong goal, and will continue to perpetuate the very problem you're complaining about.
Acknowledging that the government is not representative of the people in terms of ethno-racial groups is not "perpetuating the problem," it's acknowledging the problem which is the first step to solving it. Brushing a problem under the rug by pretending that ethno-racial groups don't often have shared experiences and political interests, like you are doing, is just counterproductive.
 
We will disagree. Using your stance, then Obama can't understand or sympathize with the problems or needs of white people?
No. According to my logic, Obama cannot fully understand or sympathize with the problems or needs of whites, women and other groups that are specifically related to their whiteness, sex, etc. That's just basic logic that stems from acknowledging that you can't fully understand what you have not experienced.
 
It would look like a third world country, which the United States will be, at this rate.

Aren't you the guy who used to claim to be black? Now you're a white supremacist?
 
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So what should a "representative government" look like now?

Is our government truly representative?


Our government is already truly Representative. The people go out an vote. I realize in the minds of open racist and closet liberal racists(pretending to be a centrist) that a man should be given special privileges,office and status based on the color of their skin, but in our society people should be judged by the content of their character not by the color of their skin.
 
It is a good thing. Having one single race dominate our society has been nothing but trouble. Better to have a situation where no single race can run the show without working with the others.

That is entirely up to the voters.
 
No. According to my logic, Obama cannot fully understand or sympathize with the problems or needs of whites, women and other groups that are specifically related to their whiteness, sex, etc. That's just basic logic that stems from acknowledging that you can't fully understand what you have not experienced.

That's true, but of course which politician can fully understand most people then. Romney can't fully understand Catholics. Michele Bachmann can't fully understand people who don't have bizarre voices in their head.
 
So what should a "representative government" look like now?

Is our government truly representative?

It shouldn't "look like" anything in particular, since it's based on votes and not on racial make-up. My representative doesn't need to look like me, in order to represent my interests.
 
With birth rates like this, whites will soon be a minority.

Before we get our panties in a wad, keep in mind that 49.6% of births were white. So white births were still a plurality over all other races, it's just that when you add ALL of the other races, you get slightly more than whites.

I'm not even sure how they count mixed race in this study. So a good portion of the "non-white" births may be half white. There are already very few people who can claim all white heritage anymore. Somewhere back in your family tree, someone wasn't white. Even Prince Charles is partially descended from the Romanovs, who had some Mongol blood.

Whites will still be bigger than any single racial group for a long time to come.
 
So since most agree that skin color and/or gender have no bearing on ability to represent, the only real reason things are so lopsided would have to be racism and sexism.

Yes?
 
You also have all those crazy RWNJ types who shoot census takers and don't fill in the forms skewing the numbers...
 
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