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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's silly, is passing a law that forces someone to go against their beliefs. In fact, it's not only silly, but it tyrannical.
    How about banning something for other people because it goes against my beliefs? Is that silly?

    And who gets to decide which sets of beliefs are acceptable and which aren't? What if it's against my beliefs to wear clothing when I shop for groceries?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    They have the right to do it but to me it is selfish and silly. No one is forcing anyone to use birth control. No one is forcing them to do anything they do not believe in. It is only giving those who may need it the option.
    …and forcing those who have moral objections to it to pay for it.
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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    …and forcing those who have moral objections to it to pay for it.
    The students pay into the health insurance plan like any other health insurance plan. Any student can opt out.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

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    Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate | Reuters

    (Reuters) - A small Catholic college in Ohio said Tuesday it was dropping health insurance coverage for students rather than comply with a federal mandate that the plan provide free birth control.
    The Franciscan University of Steubenville "will not participate in a plan that requires us to violate the consistent teachings of the Catholic Church on the sacredness of human life," according to a bulletin to students posted on the university's website.
    Not only will the university drop its own plan, but it will no longer require its undergraduates to carry insurance, the bulletin said. "We didn't want to put them in a situation where they would have to violate their conscience," said Michael Hernon, a vice president at Franciscan University.
    Ok - shoveling aside the heaps of loathing I have for religion and so forth. . . .some common sense:

    If Congress isn't allowed to dictate regulations that impose on a religion unfairly (in this case - the Catholic Church)
    Then why are they going forward as fi this actually affects them?

    I thought - though it annoys the dickens out of me - that religious faiths would be exempt from Congressional means of 'pursuing' or 'embracing' - well - anything that violates their view.

    Do we REALLY need this part of things to go to the Supreme Court and end up saying what we already know; that Congress cannot compel a religion to follow through with something they already don't agree with?
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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about banning something for other people because it goes against my beliefs? Is that silly?
    As long as you are providing the service and paying for a large portion of it, I would have no problem with that. Do you?

    And who gets to decide which sets of beliefs are acceptable and which aren't? What if it's against my beliefs to wear clothing when I shop for groceries?
    Then start your own store that is clothing optional. Then you are free to practice your beliefs however you wish. I only have a problem with it when you are forcing others to start and pay for a store that will cater to your clothing optional shopping experience.
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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    As long as you are providing the service and paying for a large portion of it, I would have no problem with that. Do you?
    See: Same-sex marriage bans, anti-contraceptive laws, anti-abortion laws, that bull**** where I can't buy beer on sunday mornings.



    Then start your own store that is clothing optional. Then you are free to practice your beliefs however you wish. I only have a problem with it when you are forcing others to start and pay for a store that will cater to your clothing optional shopping experience.
    Nobody is forcing this university to have a health insurance plan, nobody is forcing students to pay into that health plan, and nobody is forcing anyone to actually use birth control.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about banning something for other people because it goes against my beliefs? Is that silly?

    And who gets to decide which sets of beliefs are acceptable and which aren't? What if it's against my beliefs to wear clothing when I shop for groceries?
    Sure it is. Who did that? No one is being forced to attend private Catholic universities. Don't like the policies of these schools? Go to college somewhere else. It's just that simple.
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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    …and forcing those who have moral objections to it to pay for it.
    I have a moral objection to war. I am nonetheless forced to pay for it.

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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    See: Same-sex marriage bans, anti-contraceptive laws, anti-abortion laws, that bull**** where I can't buy beer on sunday mornings.
    See: gun control laws, anti-junk food laws, anti-smoking laws.

    Sucks when your own tactics are used against you. Huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    …and forcing those who have moral objections to it to pay for it.
    Welcome to ****ing society and civilization, where sometimes you're tax dollars aren't used for things you'd like. What if used the same argument for those with a moral objection to the war in Iraq or the current one in Afghanistan? Or a moral objection to literally everything.

    In fact I just developed a strong moral objection to literally everything the government does, therefore I should pay no taxes.

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