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Jury reaches verdict in former officer's beating trial

muciti said:
They were charged and found not guilty. With this video I am trying to understand how.
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I don't know how a jury trial works in Texas but in California the Juries get instructions that deny the Juries inherent rights to apply discretionon in the application of the law. I have a distict feeling that there was some very very narrow and distict wording in the jury instructions and further I wonder what parts of the tape were edited and how if they were edited. Just from the video the officers involved commited battery, at the least. There of course may be circumstances and evidence that we are not privy to. If I was on the jury from what little I have seen I would probably have convicted, unless there was something else involved that violated their rights. Hard to say with out all the facts. Just like the Travon Martin case.
 
Here's a small sample to back up my position. Right now our lovely police are being investigated for 150 shootings. If they're so innocent, then why don't they give up the info just as they expect us to do.

Nevada high court indefinitely delays coroner's inquest - News - ReviewJournal.com

ric27 said:
I don't know and don't much care because it just doesn't pass the bull**** smell test. I mean lets look at it logically. For this scenario to play out as described by you EVERYONE involved, narcotics, teachers, fellow classmates, countless street cops, supervisors, supervisores supervisors, basically the whole damn police department has to be involved and committed to lying and framing. And to what end?
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sharon said:
What? That makes no sense..

Policemen can't assault a suspect.
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Alright, you seem like a decent person who's not interested in blowing smoke, so I'll level with ya.

The cops involved in the assault were all fired. Despite efforts to make this seem like white cops were getting away with beating a colored kid (not trying to bait there, I just don't know the teen's race), the institution, the government, da white ma'an, did not condone this incident or their behavior. They immediately fired those who were involved and cooperated with criminal investigators.

Next, the charge. IMO the cops involved should have been charged with 'excessive force'. The prosecution would have likely gotten that charge to stick. However, the prosecution went with an uncommon and rather peculiar charge of 'official oppression'. This, to me, betrays the existence of an opportunist trying to make this about race instead of police misconduct. A lawyer with stars in his eyes trying to make a name for himself? A law firm with political motives?

This x-cop isn't out of the woods yet, either. There are criminal appeals, civil lawsuits, and of course he'll never work as a cop ever again so he has to re-train for another profession. Mall cop ftw? He has a **** ton of legal fees and bull**** to deal with for years to come, so while this charge didn't stick, don't assume he's living the high life either.

As for the kid, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can't expect to be forgiven of your wrongs just because someone else wronged you. For the sake of the argument I'll grant that the cops were completely, totally out of line; over the top excessive force warranting severe criminal and civil penalties. That doesn't exuse burglary or felony evasion. 1. You don't rob, especially in TX of all places. The kid is lucky an armed civilian didn't take him down then and there. 2. You don't run from the cops. Under the right conditions a fleeing felony suspect can be shot on site. This kid could have been legally killed, but he walked away with 'only' a beating and a high-powered lawyer working pro-bono. Yes the kid is going to do some jail time, but he's also going to be rich when the dust settles.

And people say crime doesn't pay.

So, no, I have no sympathy for this punk. He's a criminal and he's a well paid political pawn.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Hey, if you can just declare him guilty without a trial and say it's permissible to just beat the hell out of him even while he's lying on the ground defenseless, why bother having a justice system? Let's just get rid of it and give everyone tire irons.

I'm with Middleground. It disturbs me that you're in the military. Why do you serve for a country whose principals you clearly don't believe in? It seems like you'd like America to be a lot more like Afghanistan than a developed country.
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Take it to the Basement.
 
Checking out the video again.... the cop driving, the cruiser ****ed up. He should've hit, the punk harder and none of this crap would have gone to trial
 
ric27 said:
Checking out the video again.... the cop driving, the cruiser ****ed up. He should've hit, the punk harder and none of this crap would have gone to trial
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Here's the kick in the balls: The same leftist racists who are defending this teen today, will be accusing him of 'not paying his fair share' after he becomes rich from the settlements.
 
Middleground said:
Am I think only one who is mortified that you are a soldier with an attitude like this? Wow, I'd hate to see what you would do in a time of high stress.
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
I'm with Middleground. It disturbs me that you're in the military. Why do you serve for a country whose principals you clearly don't believe in? It seems like you'd like America to be a lot more like Afghanistan than a developed country.
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minnie616 said:
That in my book is bullying.
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Carful, Middle & Smoke, 'cuz minnie's out to get ya!
 
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It's really quite simple. It doesn't matter what the racial make-up of the jury is. You've got accused Cops in the courtroom looking at the jury members. The jury members know that the Cops will be able to find out the names and addresses of the jury members. They fear retribution and revenge at a later date if they convict.

The stomp reminds me of a 1%'er MC in action. It's hard to get juries to convict biker club members too for the same reason.
 
Mickey Shane said:
It's really quite simple. It doesn't matter what the racial make-up of the jury is. You've got accused Cops in the courtroom looking at the jury members. The jury members know that the Cops will be able to find out the names and addresses of the jury members. They fear retribution and revenge at a later date if they convict.

The stomp reminds me of a 1%'er MC in action. It's hard to get juries to convict biker club members too for the same reason.
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He was an ex-cop, since he was fired right after the incident. There would have been no retribution.

The verdict was much more likely to be due to the charges or something about the trial.

Also, people keep bringing up the "all white jury" but the DA has a say in who gets selected to be on the jury. The DA had opportunity to put jurors of other races (most likely) on the jury. Unless there is a very small number of minorities in this community to begin with.
 
Look. Here's the deal man. We all saw the video. No one is saying that the cops didn't open a can of bluemob whupass on the scumbag punk.

No one is saying that that type of police behavior should be taken as acceptable, as a rule of thumb.

The cops were way over the line. I get it. Rodney King. I get it.

If the cops got 30 years in the slammer for it instead of an acquittal, I wouldn't argue much with that either. Neither will I lose any sleep over their acquitals down in Judge Roy Beanland.

All I am saying is, **** that punk. My heart bleeds peanut butter for him.

It's Texas. Cops have been beating the **** out of blacks down in Texas for decades if not centuries. Don't mess with Texas. Texans could care less how you or I feel about it. They have their own sense of reality and they are doing quite well, thank you..
 
danarhea said:
I agree. Most cops here in Houston are pretty decent, and a few go above and beyond. A few months ago, returning from a gig, with my wife in the car with me, I got a flat tire, and pulled into a gas station. As I was changing my tire, a cop came up and helped me. You don't see that much, but when you do, you get to appreciate cops. Not all of them, though. There are a few bad apples that belong in jail or in a padded cell. LOL.
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I had a guy tell me one night...that he was glad to see me...and that he hated cops....I said your no different than most people...they always love us when they need us...:)
 
Captain America said:
Look. Here's the deal man. We all saw the video. No one is saying that the cops didn't open a can of bluemob whupass on the scumbag punk.

No one is saying that that type of police behavior should be taken as acceptable, as a rule of thumb.

The cops were way over the line. I get it. Rodney King. I get it.

If the cops got 30 years in the slammer for it instead of an acquittal, I wouldn't argue much with that either. Neither will I lose any sleep over their acquitals down in Judge Roy Beanland.

All I am saying is, **** that punk. My heart bleeds peanut butter for him.

It's Texas. Cops have been beating the **** out of blacks down in Texas for decades if not centuries. Don't mess with Texas. Texans could care less how you or I feel about it. They have their own sense of reality and they are doing quite well, thank you..
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It saddens me to add that Texas has (maybe) the largest KKK club in the US. It's a really huge group here and encompasses many law enforcement officers throughout central Texas and the Hill country. I've run up on the wrong side of them before. I had to back off. They can take a man's freedom away.
 
muciti said:
They were charged and found not guilty. With this video I am trying to understand how.
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look at this:
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notice how justice is blind
well, in this instance, so were the jurors ... they could only see white
 
TurtleDude said:
funny when OJ got off Jews didn't go on rampages and neither did blondes. Why is it generally blacks who go bonkers when "they" lose a trial?

any white targeted for reprisal hopefully will be packing at least a 50 shot automatic weapon
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astounding i have to describe this to an officer of the court
but our nation has a long history of mistreatment of people of color - tho not blondes, as you suggest
even Stevie Wonder could see from that video that the cops were guilty of abusing the defenseless, BLACK suspect
and an all WHITE jury refused to convict
this picked the scab off of an old racial wound
 
Google Vidor Texas. Or Jasper.

I was born and raised in Texas. A nice place to visit.

Not sure I'd wanna move back there though. And I'm white. :shock:
 
I recall a rather sad history of what verdicts all white juries have handed out. We used to say that Justice was blind, snow blind. All white juries have found murderers of civil rights workers not guilty and the DA didn't appeal the verdict.

Now the old saw about hating cops until you need one. How about saying it this way. Most Americans support Law Enforcement when it does it's job in a fair honest and LEGAL manner. No roadside shakedowns, no fake drug dog hits, no beat downs, you know, staying a professional as if you actually trained to be a cop, not just saw one on TV. Like most other jobs out there, do it fair and square and the public appreciates it, do it badly and people don't love you, do it badly with the power of arrest or deadly force and people might could hate you...

Pretty simple. :roll:

Now soldiers don't change their personal views when they put on the Green Machine uniform. Part of the time I was in the Regular Army as an Infantryman the movie 'Roots' came out. It caused a huge divide within the army, it showed the deeper bigotry many men had. Some blacks and whites displayed an amazing hatred for men they didn't know but could see the color of their skin. The uniform didn't make them color blind. It doesn't make them tolerant. Ask a soldier from the south what the slang names and outright slurs for Arab fighters are. Ask 'em if they never heard their fellow soldiers, coz THEY would never say it themselves, use terms like sand ni**er for arabs.

But to be fair, soldiers reflect the society from which they came, more so for NGs. Weekend warriors are far closer tied to the civilian world than their RA counterparts. Wall Street regiments have their old boy comraderie while southern units have their good ol boy mindsets.

Huh? There are no Wall Street regiments? That might explain a lot... :3oops:
 
The subject of the beating has filed a Federal civil rights lawsuit against Blomberg and the other 3 officers who beat him. In addition, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee has asked the FBI to see if criminal civil rights violations can be filed in this case. There is still the trial of the other 3 officers who have been charged, and this will go to court on Monday. The first trial is over, but the fallout from it is going to last for years.
 
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danarhea said:
Another one to my ignore list. Guess you will just have to flame bait someone else now. Buh bye. :mrgreen:
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ignore everyone sick of your lies and you will soon have the place all to yourself.
 
Jerry said:
Alright, you seem like a decent person who's not interested in blowing smoke, so I'll level with ya.

The cops involved in the assault were all fired. Despite efforts to make this seem like white cops were getting away with beating a colored kid (not trying to bait there, I just don't know the teen's race), the institution, the government, da white ma'an, did not condone this incident or their behavior. They immediately fired those who were involved and cooperated with criminal investigators.

Next, the charge. IMO the cops involved should have been charged with 'excessive force'. The prosecution would have likely gotten that charge to stick. However, the prosecution went with an uncommon and rather peculiar charge of 'official oppression'. This, to me, betrays the existence of an opportunist trying to make this about race instead of police misconduct. A lawyer with stars in his eyes trying to make a name for himself? A law firm with political motives?

This x-cop isn't out of the woods yet, either. There are criminal appeals, civil lawsuits, and of course he'll never work as a cop ever again so he has to re-train for another profession. Mall cop ftw? He has a **** ton of legal fees and bull**** to deal with for years to come, so while this charge didn't stick, don't assume he's living the high life either.

As for the kid, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can't expect to be forgiven of your wrongs just because someone else wronged you. For the sake of the argument I'll grant that the cops were completely, totally out of line; over the top excessive force warranting severe criminal and civil penalties. That doesn't exuse burglary or felony evasion. 1. You don't rob, especially in TX of all places. The kid is lucky an armed civilian didn't take him down then and there. 2. You don't run from the cops. Under the right conditions a fleeing felony suspect can be shot on site. This kid could have been legally killed, but he walked away with 'only' a beating and a high-powered lawyer working pro-bono. Yes the kid is going to do some jail time, but he's also going to be rich when the dust settles.

And people say crime doesn't pay.

So, no, I have no sympathy for this punk. He's a criminal and he's a well paid political pawn.
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this is a great reply. the cops were definitely wrong, but blaming the jury for not convicting on a charge of oppression isn't as outlandish as diarrnhea is trying to suggest.
 
Jerry said:
Alright, you seem like a decent person who's not interested in blowing smoke, so I'll level with ya.

The cops involved in the assault were all fired. Despite efforts to make this seem like white cops were getting away with beating a colored kid (not trying to bait there, I just don't know the teen's race), the institution, the government, da white ma'an, did not condone this incident or their behavior. They immediately fired those who were involved and cooperated with criminal investigators.

Next, the charge. IMO the cops involved should have been charged with 'excessive force'. The prosecution would have likely gotten that charge to stick. However, the prosecution went with an uncommon and rather peculiar charge of 'official oppression'. This, to me, betrays the existence of an opportunist trying to make this about race instead of police misconduct. A lawyer with stars in his eyes trying to make a name for himself? A law firm with political motives?

This x-cop isn't out of the woods yet, either. There are criminal appeals, civil lawsuits, and of course he'll never work as a cop ever again so he has to re-train for another profession. Mall cop ftw? He has a **** ton of legal fees and bull**** to deal with for years to come, so while this charge didn't stick, don't assume he's living the high life either.

As for the kid, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can't expect to be forgiven of your wrongs just because someone else wronged you. For the sake of the argument I'll grant that the cops were completely, totally out of line; over the top excessive force warranting severe criminal and civil penalties. That doesn't exuse burglary or felony evasion. 1. You don't rob, especially in TX of all places. The kid is lucky an armed civilian didn't take him down then and there. 2. You don't run from the cops. Under the right conditions a fleeing felony suspect can be shot on site. This kid could have been legally killed, but he walked away with 'only' a beating and a high-powered lawyer working pro-bono. Yes the kid is going to do some jail time, but he's also going to be rich when the dust settles.

And people say crime doesn't pay.

So, no, I have no sympathy for this punk. He's a criminal and he's a well paid political pawn.
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You're making a strawman. Nobody ever condoned the burglary or the felony evasion. The point is is that under our justice system committing crimes doesn't warrant having the holy snot beaten out of you by police officers. You strawmanned again before, when people said that due process was what was needed and you cited the trial of the police officers, but ignored that they didn't give the teenager himself due process, which is the argument that you were responding to in the first place was all about.

Strawman much?
 
What these officers did was unacceptable.

He was in a perfect position after the vehicle struck him to detain him without furthur incident. He clearly was surrendering.
 
Caine said:
What these officers did was unacceptable.

He was in a perfect position after the vehicle struck him to detain him without furthur incident. He clearly was surrendering.
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However, I think "federal civil rights" charges are just stupid. Or is that par for the course these days when any minority is beaten by police?
 
Caine said:
What these officers did was unacceptable.

He was in a perfect position after the vehicle struck him to detain him without furthur incident. He clearly was surrendering.
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One would surely think, right?

I can't begin to count how many times this story has played out before or how many threads and posts are dedicated to the issue.

In an organization staffed with human beings it is only logical that human screw-up's will ALWAYS factor into the equation.

But if you took the percentage of bad cops and put it in perspective, you would probably find that 99.5% (just guessing) of them are leaders by example and are indispensable in our current day society. They are the kind of people you want for neighbors and friends.

So, for a group, overall, I'd say that's a pretty impressive percentage of good people, wouldn't you?
 
Mickey Shane said:
It saddens me to add that Texas has (maybe) the largest KKK club in the US. It's a really huge group here and encompasses many law enforcement officers throughout central Texas and the Hill country. I've run up on the wrong side of them before. I had to back off. They can take a man's freedom away.
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Actually, the largest KKK Klavern of them all used to be in Indiana, which is in the North, not the South.
 
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Captain America said:
One would surely think, right?

I can't begin to count how many times this story has played out before or how many threads and posts are dedicated to the issue.

In an organization staffed with human beings it is only logical that human screw-up's will ALWAYS factor into the equation.

But if you took the percentage of bad cops and put it in perspective, you would probably find that 99.5% (just guessing) of them are leaders by example and are indispensable in our current day society. They are the kind of people you want for neighbors and friends.

So, for a group, overall, I'd say that's a pretty impressive percentage of good people, wouldn't you?
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Agree the number of good cops is high, but disagree the number is that high. Just a guess on my part as well, but I figure the percentage of bad cops is approximately the same as the percentage of bad people in general. IWO: if the overall population contains 3% a-holes (just using 3% for example purposes), then LE probably contains 3% a-holes as well. They are... people.

What's harder to discern is the number of LE that are basically decent and good people, but that have also become jaded over time. They do indeed deal with the worst of the worst in society on a daily basis, and that has to take a toll on some of them.
 
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