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    Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant - CBS News

    A Miami Dade fire captain was demoted to the rank of firefighter after making alleged remarks on Facebook regarding the Trayvon Martin case, CBS Station WFOR Miami reported.
    on his Facebook page: "I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, (expletive), ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents."
    More and more Facebook and personal opinions are being used to punish people in their place of business. There is nothing wrong with what he said. He broke no laws. He had every right to say it. Yet this happens.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Seems like an overraction, but facebook is largely a problem child for many. I suggest being more prundent with what others see, even if this here is a clear overreaction.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Seems like an overraction, but facebook is largely a problem child for many. I suggest being more prundent with what others see, even if this here is a clear overreaction.
    We are quickly approaching a point where you can be fired/demoted for political beliefs.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
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    More and more Facebook and personal opinions are being used to punish people in their place of business. There is nothing wrong with what he said. He broke no laws. He had every right to say it. Yet this happens.
    His job is to lead.. and firefighters are black and white.

    He was a fool to undermine discipline, good order and teamwork to go off on a stupid rant trashing Trayvon's parents

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    The potential issue comes from where he was when he made the post. We have several people where I work who have been disciplined either for making inflamatory remarks on FB through a company computer; or by posting where they were on their FB account on days they had called in sick.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant - CBS News

    More and more Facebook and personal opinions are being used to punish people in their place of business. There is nothing wrong with what he said. He broke no laws. He had every right to say it. Yet this happens.
    There's actually a lot gross and wrong with what he said, but whether he should be fired for it is another story. If they thought his post or opinion would affect his performance or the quality of the department, I don't have a problem with him being fired. People shouldn't post dumb things on the Facebook profiles.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    People are going to have to deal with the realities of social networking. It is not a private thing, it is essentially public speech. This kind of stuff, if it does any good, is that it'll hopefully start making people realize that if they ant to speak freely on social networking they need to be more careful in terms of who they keep in their network.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    There's actually a lot gross and wrong with what he said,
    What is actually wrong with what he said?

    but whether he should be fired for it is another story.
    I agree. But he was demoted not fired.

    If they thought his post or opinion would affect his performance or the quality of the department, I don't have a problem with him being fired.
    How could it?

    People shouldn't post dumb things on the Facebook profiles.
    Why not? Freedom of speech not applicable anymore? Should a person's job be based on their opinion of current events or political interests? I have a democratic bumper sticker and my boss is not a democrat. Should he fire me? Should I be fired for my position on the Martin case? Please do let me know exactly where we draw the line to when your personal opinion should result in a firing or demotion.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    People are going to have to deal with the realities of social networking. It is not a private thing, it is essentially public speech. This kind of stuff, if it does any good, is that it'll hopefully start making people realize that if they ant to speak freely on social networking they need to be more careful in terms of who they keep in their network.
    Zyphlin, i pose the same questions to you as I did PD. Why should a persons personal opinion on a public matter or even a political position or any other personal view cause them to lose a job or a position? Regardless of whether or not FB can be viewed by anyone it is our right to say it.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What is actually wrong with what he said?
    The implication that racial profiling is not a significant problem and the derogatory way he referred to the parents of urban youth.

    I agree. But he was demoted not fired.
    My mistake.

    How could it?
    You'd have to ask them for more specific reasons, if there are any, but in general, his opinions could affect how he treats the people in the community he works in and it could affect the community's trust in the fire department. Neither one of those things is good situation for such a serious job.

    If he had spoken in such a derogatory manner about the people in the middle to upper middle class neighborhood I grew up in, he would have been demoted or fired for at least the latter reason.

    Why not? Freedom of speech not applicable anymore? Should a person's job be based on their opinion of current events or political interests? I have a democratic bumper sticker and my boss is not a democrat. Should he fire me? Should I be fired for my position on the Martin case? Please do let me know exactly where we draw the line to when your personal opinion should result in a firing or demotion.
    You shouldn't post dumb things on your Facebook because you don't know where your boss draws the line. Whether your bosses line is acceptable or not is up to you to decide.

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