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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Yeah, that's how I see it too. Leaders are held by a higher standard as well. I don't know if he had one, but there are moral and conduct clauses in most contracts these days.
    It does not matter whether the employee was on duty or off duty. He agreed to conduct himself in a particular fashion and to uphold a particular standard . He breached his agreement and standard, there are consequences for his actions.

    According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement the following are grounds for discipline:

    "Any employee may be reprimanded, suspended, reduced in grade or dismissed by the head of his department, or designee as approved in Administrative Order 7-16, for any good and sufficient reason which will promote the efficiency of the County service. Negligence, dishonesty, insubordination, or conduct unbecoming a public employee are among such good and sufficient reasons."
    http://www.miamidade.gov/aopdfdoc/ao...iles/ao7-3.pdf
    http://www.miamidade.gov/hr/library/..._iaff_1403.pdf


    The following is a definition of Conduct Unbecoming A Public Employee (CUPE) Definition: Conduct, whether on or off the job, that adversely affects the employee's ability to continue to perform his or her current job, or that adversely affects the agency's ability to carry out its assigned mission.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    I wish I could use the search function better and pull up the posts about others getting fired for what they post on facebook and should an employer be able to use face book postings against an employee.

    Now this fireman wasn't fired, he was demoted. There are rules for most ranked services, to include firefighters. But as another poster mentioned he has a UNION, the UNION will fight this travesty, they stand FOR the worker!

    Must be sand in some conservative's craw, a UNION is going to step up to right a social injustice, well as the conservatives see it...

    If the firefighter's Union is anything like the Cop's, well hell, this guy will be chief with back pay by the time the review is done!

    Gawd Bless the Unions of America!

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Zyphlin, i pose the same questions to you as I did PD. Why should a persons personal opinion on a public matter or even a political position or any other personal view cause them to lose a job or a position? Regardless of whether or not FB can be viewed by anyone it is our right to say it.
    Because I don't believe anyone is entitled to a job or has some universal right to it. The individual was in a position of leadership. Things he says publicly and makes public...not necessarily his private positions held amongst friends or spoken privately but spoken in what I view as a public forum no different than the middle of the street...I believe are legitimate for a boss to look at, but not necessarily perhaps look FOR (if that makes sense), in terms of determining if that individual will either harm his business or damage his ability to lead. If a business owner or boss feels such actions could cause those type of issues in most cases...not all, its something that is somewhat case by case...I can understand giving leeway to the employer.

    We have the right to freedom of speech. We do not have a right to be free of repercussions of that speech from other private citizens as long as they are lawful repercussions.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Before returning to work Beckmann will have to undergo a psychological examination by a county doctor and be required to take diversity training courses.


    And am I the only one left in the world without a facebook account?
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Well, imagine that. The Fireman was speaking his mind and got fired for it. 'Ya know, he is in a public sector union, which is going to fight that firing. But I forgot. You are against public sector unions.
    He wasnt fired he was demoted. And when the hell did I say i was against public sector unions?
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Our freedom of speech is disappearing about as quickly as the ice shelves.
    And don't forget that Obama promised to end erosion of our freedoms. What did he actually do? He became Bush on steroids.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Our freedom of speech is disappearing about as quickly as the ice shelves.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And don't forget that Obama promised to end erosion of our freedoms. What did he actually do? He became Bush on steroids.
    This is not about Obama or Free Speech. The fireman contractually agreed refrain from acting in a manner which may act to compromise his ability to perform in his former capacity or interfere with the "agency's ability to carry out its assigned mission".

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant - CBS News





    More and more Facebook and personal opinions are being used to punish people in their place of business. There is nothing wrong with what he said. He broke no laws. He had every right to say it. Yet this happens.
    And the FD broke no laws when demoting him
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the FD broke no laws when demoting him
    Depends on the state, actually, mister Gerry Spence. And his contract, of course.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And don't forget that Obama promised to end erosion of our freedoms. What did he actually do? He became Bush on steroids.
    And what was Obama supposed to do in this situation? This is a state issue, not federal.

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