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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Peter Principle.. Too dumb to lead men.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The implication that racial profiling is not a significant problem and the derogatory way he referred to the parents of urban youth.

    My mistake.


    You'd have to ask them for more specific reasons, if there are any, but in general, his opinions could affect how he treats the people in the community he works in and it could affect the community's trust in the fire department. Neither one of those things is good situation for such a serious job.

    If he had spoken in such a derogatory manner about the people in the middle to upper middle class neighborhood I grew up in, he would have been demoted or fired for at least the latter reason.


    You shouldn't post dumb things on your Facebook because you don't know where your boss draws the line. Whether your bosses line is acceptable or not is up to you to decide.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    His job is to lead.. and firefighters are black and white.

    He was a fool to undermine discipline, good order and teamwork to go off on a stupid rant trashing Trayvon's parents
    True a fire capt. is to lead.
    IMO, it is one thing to state personal opinion. It is another to make a comment as the capt.

    Should comments on DP be held against the poster? Not much different than the wall on facebook.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You shouldn't post dumb things on your Facebook because you don't know where your boss draws the line. Whether your bosses line is acceptable or not is up to you to decide.
    Sorry, but that is going to far. If he was using work computers to do this, I could understand the demotion, however freedom of speech should not be punished when you aren't using work computers.

    I can understand the military punishing something like this as the military is a different organization, but this is going too far IMO.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but that is going to far. If he was using work computers to do this, I could understand the demotion, however freedom of speech should not be punished when you aren't using work computers.

    I can understand the military punishing something like this as the military is a different organization, but this is going too far IMO.
    I completely agree. Facebook is no different than putting up a bumper sticker, or something similar. It has no bearing on his job.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The potential issue comes from where he was when he made the post. We have several people where I work who have been disciplined either for making inflamatory remarks on FB through a company computer; or by posting where they were on their FB account on days they had called in sick.
    Off topic, but someone got fired for using their Facebook when they're sick? What are they supposed to do, sit on their hands? How ridiculous! Fired for using Facebook when your sick?! Does your place of business think that using Facebook involves an incredible amount of effort? It's the same thing if you saw them at a baseball game?

    No offense, but you seem to work for an insane company!

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    The implication that racial profiling is not a significant problem and the derogatory way he referred to the parents of urban youth.
    The fact is many urban youths are being failed by their parents. But whether or not you agree with him, it is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Off topic, but someone got fired for using their Facebook when they're sick? What are they supposed to do, sit on their hands? How ridiculous! Fired for using Facebook when your sick?! Does your place of business think that using Facebook involves an incredible amount of effort? It's the same thing if you saw them at a baseball game?

    No offense, but you seem to work for an insane company!
    I think he meant when you call in sick then post how much fun you are having at disney world or something similar.
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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The fact is many urban youths are being failed by their parents.
    I never said any different...

    But whether or not you agree with him, it is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
    I never said any different...

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but that is going to far. If he was using work computers to do this, I could understand the demotion, however freedom of speech should not be punished when you aren't using work computers.

    I can understand the military punishing something like this as the military is a different organization, but this is going too far IMO.
    Doesn't matter. My point in the post you quoted is that bosses demote, fire or otherwise punish people for things they post on places like Facebook. This isn't a matter of "should," this is a matter of reality. And the reality is that if you don't want to get fired or demoted, don't post dumb things on your Facebook.

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    Re: Fire capt. demoted for alleged Trayvon rant

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I never said any different...


    I never said any different...
    hmmm. did you not say that he wrong for saying it?
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