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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Don't care why, he's right.
    Yes, he is right.

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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Good thing I didn't vote for him in 2008 then, I guess. I don't feel like I bought into the hype and won't feel at all bad about voting for him this time.
    And that's ok, I was just explaining why it is a big deal to some. I voted for Obama in 2008, however, I won't be voting for him this time. Not because I believed the hype, but for his other actions with the bailouts, healthcare, and lack of leadership.

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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    by his comments in support of same sex marriage, Biden pushed him into this change

    Obama could either undermine his VP and refuse to go beyond his stated position in support of civil unions, or he could lean a bit farther forward

    my advocacy remains for civil unions rather than SSM, but i am very hard pressed to make a logical case in support of my stand
    it would not surprise me if Obama also recognized that weakness within his own position
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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...-politics.html

    Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed by The New York Times and CBS News since the announcement said they thought that Mr. Obama had made it “mostly for political reasons,” while 24 percent said it was “mostly because he thinks it is right.” Independents were more likely to attribute it to politics, with nearly half of Democrats agreeing.
    I don't really believe he was against gay marriage.That's something liberal democrat usually support,especially those who used to represent a liberal state.That's like a conservative coming out and saying they actually support the 2nd amendment or a fat man saying he likes buffets.

    The reason Obama claimed at first to be against gay marriage was because he felt it would help him win the presidency. Now that he thinks the issue has enough support he came out of the closet in support of gay marriage.
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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I don't really believe he was against gay marriage.
    If you're talking about his personal feelings, that's probably true, but he was officially opposed to SSM. IOW, he chose politics over principle. Now that he's officially for SSM, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's become more principled. It's far more likely that he's still playing politics with SSM.
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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, he is right.
    He is in my opinion too. But he is largely irrelevant in this. The fact is we aren't close to legalizing it on a national level so the president has no real power.
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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    I believe he was personally opposed to SSM the same way a pro-choicer may be opposed to abortion, which means it should be within someones rights but it's not something he would personally do.

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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    He is in my opinion too. But he is largely irrelevant in this. The fact is we aren't close to legalizing it on a national level so the president has no real power.
    The only real power the President has when it comes to this is whether he would approve or veto a bill that repealed DOMA or another bill that had something to do with it. Everything else, on a federal level, is in the hands of Congress or the SCOTUS.
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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...-politics.html

    Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed by The New York Times and CBS News since the announcement said they thought that Mr. Obama had made it “mostly for political reasons,” while 24 percent said it was “mostly because he thinks it is right.” Independents were more likely to attribute it to politics, with nearly half of Democrats agreeing.
    Meh. I think he honestly believes that making same-sex marriage legal is a positive thing. I also think that he chose to let the public know about these honest feelings right now was a political move. However, I don't have a problem with that. Consequently, I don't see why so many people are making such a big, cynical deal about it.

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    Re: Obama’s Switch on Same-Sex Marriage Stirs Skepticism

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    He is in my opinion too. But he is largely irrelevant in this. The fact is we aren't close to legalizing it on a national level so the president has no real power.
    No, but he is the first president to take a stand in favor of it. Symbolic at best I know. There is no real change he can do to this aside from appointing more SCOTUS judges if the time came.

    IMO this is going to eventually be decided by the SCOTUS. I don't see it happening any other way.

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