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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    If this was the case this would have happened in Portugal where drugs have already been legalized and use has actually gone down. I dont think that we are such base creatures that the state is the only thing keeping us from being off our tits on herion every night. If i wanted to be so I need only have asked the people next door, i choose not to because its a dumb thing to do and so, i think, do most people. Generally the state is very bad at stopping people from doing things recreationally.

    And i can name four . 1 reduced income for criminals 2 less deaths resulting from use if the products are properly regulated 3 less addiction if the resources used for policing drug use are redirected into treatment 4 not having a civil war on your southern border.
    How could this be? You mean people weren't smoking to high, but because it was illegal?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do people REALLY believe legalizing marijuana solves this? Hey...Im all for legalizing pot...always have been and NOT to fight the drug war. But the real money is not in pot...its in heroin, and meth, and other smaller, more easily portable drugs. One of the reasons we see reduced meth labs in America is the production and distribution from mexico has gotten so much better and more efficient. So...do we decriminalize ALL drug use? Just stop arresting people? That stops usage...how exactly?
    By redirecting the funds into rehabilitation.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How could this be? You mean people weren't smoking to high, but because it was illegal?
    I was talking about drugs use in general, which has gone down now that resources have been diverted into rehabilitation. But yes i think legalization would certainly take away the allure for teenagers.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    By redirecting the funds into rehabilitation.
    Ever have much experience with rehab centers?

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ever have much experience with rehab centers?
    No but i've plenty of experience of those wanting to get clean but being on the waiting list forever and a day because they are underfunded, and again this has worked in the Netherlands and Portugal.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    No but i've plenty of experience of those wanting to get clean but being on the waiting list forever and a day because they are underfunded, and again this has worked in the Netherlands and Portugal.
    It doesnt work here. We court mandate people into 'treatment' where they are in centers for 1-3 months. They are clean and sober and even have some basic life skills...and they get out and go right back into using. Now...you find a way to change everyones environment where they come from healthy families with positive outlooks on life...now we are talking potential for change. Til then? At best we shift addictions and symptoms.

    Legalizing some drugs is an answer...but not the answer to mexicos drug problem.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Really to get to the root of the problem it is up to the Mexican government to have better control of their nation. There is little we can do in the way of controlling drugs ourself. In Afghanistan, creating poppy plants is a way of life; we have tried to retrain farmers out there to grow stuff like soy beans and such but it just doesn't stick. When we leave they go right back to the poppy seeds because it is much easier and profitable for them to grow.

    A big part of it would be to legalize some drugs. You can beef up border security all you want, the war on drugs just cannot be won. Another big part could be to work with the Mexican government and deploy a couple hundred troops to Mexico.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Really to get to the root of the problem it is up to the Mexican government to have better control of their nation. There is little we can do in the way of controlling drugs ourself. In Afghanistan, creating poppy plants is a way of life; we have tried to retrain farmers out there to grow stuff like soy beans and such but it just doesn't stick. When we leave they go right back to the poppy seeds because it is much easier and profitable for them to grow.
    What we really need to do both in Afghanistan and Mexico is too look into why out economic system makes it more economically sound for farmers to grow drugs then it does to grow food. This would be particularly useful in Afghanistan considering the ****storm that rising population and the scarcity of food are about to create in the region.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Our society is already inundated with legal drugs such as Prozac, Viagra, Marlboros, Budweiser, and Maxwell's House. Our society hasn't been undone yet.
    Somehow I think that cigarettes, or coffee is just a little different than heroin, and cocaine....


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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Not a great analogy because the objection we have with murder is related to the nature of the act itself, the problems we have with drug use (addiction, money for organised crime, overdoses, side effects etc.) are all either symptomatic of prohibition or could be allieviated by legalization.
    Not true at all.

    Control the dossage and the over crap typically thrown in (who'd have thought allowing criminals to monopolise a product would make it so dangerous) legalize only the strains of Marijuana with less THC and more HTC.
    You think you can control the dosage of meth? So you'd give everyone X amount? So the people who dont want to smoke meth will be selling it to those who want more. What then? Would that be illegal? Think about your answer.

    I've already shown how legalization will not dramatically increase use, again the case of Portugal shows that it may reduce it
    You have not shown that. Not one bit.

    Put simply this is more about doing what actually works, you think its worthwhile to bring a country to its knees over a plant?
    The same could be applied to anything. We do not give in to violence, threats of violence or terrorism.
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