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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The legalazation of something would likely peak the interested in a lot of people, especially when they are out partying on a Friday night and stop into 711 when they are drunk and high on weed and can pick up some meth and herion. There are very few meth heads, crack heads, ect that are productive in any society. We don't need to be taking hard working Americans and helping them turn into junkies. We need to be doing the opposite. The value of making these substances illegal is because they have been proven to take over a persons life even when initially used recreationally and destroy it completely. Can you name any benefits of legalizing meth?
    If this was the case this would have happened in Portugal where drugs have already been legalized and use has actually gone down. I dont think that we are such base creatures that the state is the only thing keeping us from being off our tits on herion every night. If i wanted to be so I need only have asked the people next door, i choose not to because its a dumb thing to do and so, i think, do most people. Generally the state is very bad at stopping people from doing things recreationally.

    And i can name four . 1 reduced income for criminals 2 less deaths resulting from use if the products are properly regulated 3 less addiction if the resources used for policing drug use are redirected into treatment 4 not having a civil war on your southern border.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Cigarettes are legal. The number of smokers has actually decreased.

    Alcohol is legal. People aren't drunk constantly.

    Just because a drug is legal does not inherently mean many people will use it. Just because people have a choice to use something doesn't mean their choice will be to use it. And allowing those who do use those that choice will be much better than trying to imprison them for that choice.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    How did we come into a country populated with other people and take it over? How did we clean our nation up in such a short amount of time to where we are now considered the world's mother?

    we might have been backhanded and smarmy - but we did it anyway.

    They could deal with their issues IF THEY WANTED TO really get it done - but they've let it go for SO long that it's just exploded.
    The fact of the matter is that the drug problem is both a Mexico and US problem. Do you think these drug cartels would be battling so hard against each other for control of the US border corridors if there wasn't massive amounts of money to be made? The drug trade will not end because Americans fund these cartels as well as the fact that the US has been involved in helping to smuggle drugs/launder money (such as the CIA and the DEA).
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post

    And i can name four . 1 reduced income for criminals [/B]
    By that logic if we legalize murders then hitmen would be out of a job. We could legalize rape and put prostitutes out of jobs. You could legalize every crime and then we wouldn't have criminals at all right?

    2 less deaths resulting from use if the products are properly regulated
    How exactly do you properly regulate a product that is so addictive people will sell their bodies, children, rob, kill, ect to get?

    3 less addiction if the resources used for policing drug use are redirected into treatment
    So we should help people get addicted to heroin, meth and crack then pay to help them get off it. Does that really sound productive?

    4 not having a civil war on your southern border.
    If criminals and the like start fighting instead of fighting back we should tuck our tails between our legs and give in? Give in to lawlessness and any resemblence of decency and hope that if we legalize everything that people will eventually grow tired it all? Seriously?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    If this was the case this would have happened in Portugal where drugs have already been legalized and use has actually gone down.
    They also changed attitude to what addiction was.. a disease, a disease that could be managed. They are also doing it in Switzerland until the usual conservative wackjobs ruined that.

    Both situations proved that if drug use is managed under control circumstances, then the addicts actually can have a functional life.. you know, family, work.. a volvo type situation. And it actually costs society much less, both in human lives but also in euros.

    So not only has drug use gone down (the ohhh it is illegal and dangerous, so it must be good theory), but of those on drugs, many actually live normal lives.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    What the heck is going on with Mexico? It seems to be getting worse. Is this country going to just implode? When the drug cartels clearly rule the roost, what can be done? Is there anything that can be done to fix this?


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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Do people REALLY believe legalizing marijuana solves this? Hey...Im all for legalizing pot...always have been and NOT to fight the drug war. But the real money is not in pot...its in heroin, and meth, and other smaller, more easily portable drugs. One of the reasons we see reduced meth labs in America is the production and distribution from mexico has gotten so much better and more efficient. So...do we decriminalize ALL drug use? Just stop arresting people? That stops usage...how exactly?

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The law needs to square itself away and GET INVOLVED and rule the roost instead.

    But in the US we turn our back on gangs that deal in the drug trade . . . so I don't think we have any answers, either.
    I thought the war on drugs was a waste of time.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I thought the war on drugs was a waste of time.
    I've never believed that - obviously: that's what I support with my stance against them.

    I can see it now: we legalize one source of an illicit substance and quickly - when crime and immoral activities directly related to it increases - our government is slaughtered for it and I'm proven correct.

    Now how ever much I love to be right - i'd rather not find out *that* way.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    By that logic if we legalize murders then hitmen would be out of a job. We could legalize rape and put prostitutes out of jobs. You could legalize every crime and then we wouldn't have criminals at all right?
    Not a great analogy because the objection we have with murder is related to the nature of the act itself, the problems we have with drug use (addiction, money for organised crime, overdoses, side effects etc.) are all either symptomatic of prohibition or could be allieviated by legalization.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How exactly do you properly regulate a product that is so addictive people will sell their bodies, children, rob, kill, ect to get?
    Control the dossage and the over crap typically thrown in (who'd have thought allowing criminals to monopolise a product would make it so dangerous) legalize only the strains of Marijuana with less THC and more HTC.


    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So we should help people get addicted to heroin, meth and crack then pay to help them get off it. Does that really sound productive?
    I've already shown how legalization will not dramatically increase use, again the case of Portugal shows that it may reduce it

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    If criminals and the like start fighting instead of fighting back we should tuck our tails between our legs and give in? Give in to lawlessness and any resemblence of decency and hope that if we legalize everything that people will eventually grow tired it all? Seriously?
    Put simply this is more about doing what actually works, you think its worthwhile to bring a country to its knees over a plant?

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