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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Cigarettes are legal. The number of smokers has actually decreased.

    Alcohol is legal. People aren't drunk constantly.

    Just because a drug is legal does not inherently mean many people will use it. Just because people have a choice to use something doesn't mean their choice will be to use it. And allowing those who do use those that choice will be much better than trying to imprison them for that choice.
    There was a time when cigarettes were being used by almost everyone in the country. A large majority of Americans drink regularly. Do you know how ****ed up being belief a person's life would become if they were using meth and heroin a few times a week like people consume alcohol?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You wanna see **** get even worse in this country? Lets get everyone addicted to meth, crack and heroin. It has worked so well for those on it. Drugs are illegal for a reason.
    The flawed logic here is that you assume that a significant amount of those who are not addicted to drugs are not addicted to drugs simply because its illegal. I would hazzard a guess and say that many of them are not addicted to drugs because they don't think it is a good idea. What we need to assess critically here is what value making these substances illegal actually has.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post

    We go to Mexico all the time. We were in Puerto Peñasco a couple of weeks ago. There are area where you might run into trouble but it's not like those areas are a secret. LOL! Avoid them and you're fine.
    Typically about 500 yards away from the coastline if i know Latin America

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, there's a very easy way for the government - Mexico's and the U.S.' - to get control over the drug cartels.

    Legalize recreational drugs.

    Legalize all recreational drugs and allow businesses to sell them to consumers. That way, the drug cartels will have to compete with Big Pharma for control of the recreational drug trade. Except that Big Pharma already has a leg up because 1) they've got lobbyists, 2) they've got marketing firms, and 3) they aren't tainted by massive murder and criminal activity.
    Ah, yes, always the simple liberal answer.

    Can you imagine how unproductive much of our citizenry would become if they could take drugs at will, and companies could no longer screen for them when hiring?

    "Hey, Hal, what'd you do this weekend?"

    "Not much. Shot heroine on Saturday night, so I was pretty catatonic all day Sunday. Totally missed work on Monday, dude."
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The flawed logic here is that you assume that a significant amount of those who are not addicted to drugs are not addicted to drugs simply because its illegal. I would hazzard a guess and say that many of them are not addicted to drugs because they don't think it is a good idea. What we need to assess critically here is what value making these substances illegal actually has.
    The legalazation of something would likely peak the interested in a lot of people, especially when they are out partying on a Friday night and stop into 711 when they are drunk and high on weed and can pick up some meth and herion. There are very few meth heads, crack heads, ect that are productive in any society. We don't need to be taking hard working Americans and helping them turn into junkies. We need to be doing the opposite. The value of making these substances illegal is because they have been proven to take over a persons life even when initially used recreationally and destroy it completely. Can you name any benefits of legalizing meth?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ah, yes, always the simple liberal answer.

    Can you imagine how unproductive much of our citizenry would become if they could take drugs at will, and companies could no longer screen for them when hiring?

    "Hey, Hal, what'd you do this weekend?"

    "Not much. Shot heroine on Saturday night, so I was pretty catatonic all day Sunday. Totally missed work on Monday, dude."
    Conversation doesnt stop there.

    Since he missed Monday and was sitting home all day so he went ahead and got high again. Which screwed him over on going to work Tuesday too. That pissed his boss off who suspends him for a few days. So he decides to get high again since he is upset about the suspension. Ultimately leads to him getting fired. Which luckily for him he can fall back on our welfare system till he gets back on his feet. Which could take a while when you have a track record of poor attendance at your previous job and your piss is dirty. And in the job interview your teeth are rotting out of your head and your potentially new boss is watching your cold sweats shakes as you try to think of an answer. In hindsight offering to suck his dick for $20 probably wasnt helpful either. After a long while with this the guy will likely enroll in some type of rehab at the tax payers expense to help him clean up and get off the heroin. During that time he decides he should probably sue the manufacturer who is legally selling it for ruining his life draining our tax money and wasting a courts time. he will likely win because we always hold others accountable here in AMerica for our own failures. With that money he will "celebrate" and the cycle will start again.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Its not a popular message...but if you are going to combat certain groups, you have to play on their terms. You have to be ruthless, brutal, merciless. Frankly...most people dont have the stomach to accept the fact, let alone to engage.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So they're our responsibility? Another nanny-nation that we have to support? We already give support each year financially to numerous nations in order for them to deal with their drug-trafficking issues that have grown as a result of our policies. That is not enough?
    We could cut-off our support for the cartels.
    The cartels are using American money to run amok down there.

    If we legalized the drugs they're making their money on, they would either have to go legit or get out of the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If we enabled the open use and growth of drugs in our nation then what's next? Just how undone do you want society to become. . .really?
    We should do something to stop short of ending up where we're headed, which is toward having foreign drug cartels engaging in open violence in the US.

    Given an excluded middle choice between an uptick in pothead basement dwellers and an uptick in Mexican drug cartels, I'm gonna go with the pothead in the basement.

    Weshouldn't be spending our tax money to subsidize the profits of the drug cartels. imho.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Can you imagine how unproductive much of our citizenry would become if they could take drugs at will...
    We already can take drugs at will. So it would be about the same afaict.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ...companies could no longer screen for them when hiring?
    What would stop them?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    We could cut-off our support for the cartels.
    The cartels are using American money to run amok down there.

    If we legalized the drugs they're making their money on, they would either have to go legit or get out of the game.

    We should do something to stop short of ending up where we're headed, which is toward having foreign drug cartels engaging in open violence in the US.

    Given an excluded middle choice between an uptick in pothead basement dwellers and an uptick in Mexican drug cartels, I'm gonna go with the pothead in the basement.

    Weshouldn't be spending our tax money to subsidize the profits of the drug cartels. imho.
    So - ending demand, indeed.

    Rather than just redirecting supply and it's demand.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
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