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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we can't fix Mexico. It's a different culture, with different priorities, and different lifestyles.
    Indeed! I'm thinking most of the people railing on about Mexico have never been there or have been once or twice to some gated, all inclusive resort in Cancun or Tulum.










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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We send money to other countries. Why shouldn't we fix Mexico? .

    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico. But just sending money will not do it. We need to take a very, very hard line. But that won't happen because of the lobby.
    Why do we need to continue working on other countries besides our own? We have way bigger issues in America before we need to go lead a revolution (tongue in cheek) in Mexico.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we can't fix Mexico. It's a different culture, with different priorities, and different lifestyles.
    We actually have more in common with Mexico as far as how we got where we are than we do with Canada.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Federal Police are still in control of Mexico right now. I point the finger at them.

    Are they still in a state of Marshal Law down there?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We actually have more in common with Mexico as far as how we got where we are than we do with Canada.
    That doesn't indicate that we can, or should, try to fix another nation, who has little in common with us culturally.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That doesn't indicate that we can, or should, try to fix another nation, who has little in common with us culturally.
    The reality is much more complex. The issues of drugs and illegal immigration aside (though it is hard not to look at the situation though either of those lenses), Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. We depend on Mexico for a number of relatively important items, and cheap Mexican goods, manufacturing in Northern Mexico of more expensive goods, and produce, to name a few, are important parts of our economy.

    The culture of Mexico is intertwined inextricably with the cultures of all of the southwestern states, particularly Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California. Mexico is very important to the US.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    What the heck is going on with Mexico? It seems to be getting worse. Is this country going to just implode? When the drug cartels clearly rule the roost, what can be done? Is there anything that can be done to fix this?


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    why the problems?

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We actually have more in common with Mexico as far as how we got where we are than we do with Canada.
    Who brought Canada into this?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The reality is much more complex. The issues of drugs and illegal immigration aside (though it is hard not to look at the situation though either of those lenses), Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. We depend on Mexico for a number of relatively important items, and cheap Mexican goods, manufacturing in Northern Mexico of more expensive goods, and produce, to name a few, are important parts of our economy.

    The culture of Mexico is intertwined inextricably with the cultures of all of the southwestern states, particularly Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California. Mexico is very important to the US.
    Yes, it is very complex, which is why we can't fix Mexico's problems. The corruption is so culturally ingrained that you and I wouldn't recognize Mexico as a legitimate and stable country. The Mexican culture shared with our border states is shallow and on the surface. The real culture runs deep and is at odds with our own, in the sense of politics.

    Lomnitz said he became interested in corruption while doing fieldwork in rural Mexico in the late 1970s. "It seemed that everyone was talking about corruption and blaming officials for committing it. At the same time, if you looked at municipal finances, resources were so scarce that overstepping legal norms was necessary just to carry out the officers' ascribed functions," Lomnitz said. "Moreover, I was intrigued by the fact that although people complained about stealing on the part of officials, many also said that they would do the same thing if they had the power."

    After independence, the system continued, with poorly paid bureaucrats again expected to extract additional payments to make up for shortfalls from the tax revenue. "In most cases there
    Lomnitz: Understanding history of corruption in Mexico

    In modern Mexico, this system attempts to ensure that services are rendered to certain people. As in colonial times, it also attempts to make up the shortfall in salaries. I have personally heard Mexican government officials say that corruption is almost a necessity in Mexico to maintain order and stability. It is seen as a way of life. As long as most people feel they are getting their share - even if it is through corrupt means - then it keeps the masses happy.

    Another angle of corruption in Mexico is the dreaded plata o plombo - "silver or lead," meant as take the bribe or take the bullet. This is a form of corruption encouraged by fear, as opposed to social acceptance or economic survival. Many police officers in Mexico are corrupt because they or their families are physically threatened by DTO members. Public executions of over 450 police officers and soldiers in Mexico last year are proof that the DTOs are more than willing to make good on their threats.

    So how does the Calderon administration, which is so committed to cleansing Mexico of this endemic corruption, accomplish this goal? The sad fact is, it can't. Calderon is up against roughly 500 years of history ingrained into his people. He also has two other major things working against him: the economy and an organized crime crisis. If the average Mexican citizen could make a fair living by living fairly, then corruption wouldn't be seen as necessary. While corruption exists in the United States (and every country, for that matter), it exists to a much smaller extent because public servants - for the most part - earn a fair salary with which they can make a living. The Mexican economy is the 12th largest in the world, but the country has an extremely high rate of underemployment, and most people do not earn what Americans would call fair salaries for their work. Unless economic conditions in Mexico improve, the economic challenge to eliminating corruption will remain. The organized crime threat from DTOs is so pervasive, few public or law enforcement officials in Mexico can escape it. When accepting a bribe is a matter of life or death, rather than being honorable or corrupt, the choice is easy for many. Mexican society may not see this as a form of corruption as Americans do, since it is a manner of survival that American cops don't have to deal with. Regardless, the unreliability of Mexican law enforcement is the largest obstacle Calderon must face. Short of removing the large majority of Mexican law enforcement from their posts, which is impractical and probably impossible, Calderon will have to continue to rely on the more reliable, very loyal, and considerably less corrupt Mexican Army as the only stop-gap measure at his disposal.
    Mexico's Drug War: IN FOCUS: Corruption in Mexico
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    I´m in Mexico right now. The hype is just that. Hype. The Northern part of the country is in trouble mostly because of US pressure on Mexico to fight it´s own War on Drugs. The Mid and Southern parts of the country are absolute havens for tourists and American retirees. This nonsense about fixing Mexico´s problem is just that, nonsense. End the war on drugs and we´ll end the problem WE created FOR Mexico.
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