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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    What the heck is going on with Mexico? It seems to be getting worse. Is this country going to just implode? When the drug cartels clearly rule the roost, what can be done? Is there anything that can be done to fix this?


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    The US must try to stabilize Mexico. It would pay off in the long run.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

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    Because facilitating that is a better alternative than to allow drug cartels to control the drug trade.
    See...Im REALLY not worried about the Cartels and mexicos drug problem. mexico is a toilet and will be til THEY decide to clean it up. Im not owning their problem and I really think its time we as a country and a people stop that practice.

    Sorry...Im just not that into replacing a drug cartel by becoming their new 'legal' dealer. Frankly I cant think much more that would be a greater national disgrace. Thats not meant as a swipe or an attack...just how I feel about it.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

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    See...Im REALLY not worried about the Cartels and mexicos drug problem. mexico is a toilet and will be til THEY decide to clean it up. Im not owning their problem and I really think its time we as a country and a people stop that practice.

    Sorry...Im just not that into replacing a drug cartel by becoming their new 'legal' dealer. Frankly I cant think much more that would be a greater national disgrace. Thats not meant as a swipe or an attack...just how I feel about it.
    I don't favor legalization because I care about Mexico and drug cartels, but because it's a personal liberty issue.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The US must try to stabilize Mexico. It would pay off in the long run.
    Mexico needs to stabilize itself. The last thing we need to get involved in is another nation-building project.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Mexico needs to stabilize itself. The last thing we need to get involved in is another nation-building project.
    We send money to other countries. Why shouldn't we fix Mexico? .

    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico. But just sending money will not do it. We need to take a very, very hard line. But that won't happen because of the lobby.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Mexico needs to stabilize itself. The last thing we need to get involved in is another nation-building project.
    Depends what you mean by nation building. Obviously we don't want to get militarily involved. However, it's in our best interests to stimulate their economy. In my opinion, the single best way to reduce illegal immigration is to help Mexico create an economy capable of providing jobs for its citizens. If they could work there, they wouldn't come here. Win-win. Obviously that's not an easy thing to do, but I think focusing on micro lending (on a large scale) would be useful both directly (by encouraging the creation of small businesses) and indirectly (by putting money into the hands of actual citizens, rather than attempting to route large sums of money through an obviously corrupt government).

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry...Im just not that into replacing a drug cartel by becoming their new 'legal' dealer. Frankly I cant think much more that would be a greater national disgrace. Thats not meant as a swipe or an attack...just how I feel about it.
    Sorry whom do you mean by "their" I fear you may have got the wrong end of a very long stick...........

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    What the heck is going on with Mexico? It seems to be getting worse. Is this country going to just implode? When the drug cartels clearly rule the roost, what can be done? Is there anything that can be done to fix this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...26255#47426255
    When I ask similar questions about America, I say that we need to fix things by taking the massive majority at or near the center of the political spectrum and give them a political vehicle to power.

    But when I think of the same with Mexico, unlike here, their massive majority political vehicle would just be shot to swiss cheese before it traveled very far.

    Prior to organizing overtly politically, these people would have to organize covertly millitarily, warring with the cartels until they're gone.

    This would not be too dissimilar from how Nikita and Michael and the gang deal with Percy and Division, or a clandestine revolutionary version of .. "Bond, Jaime Bond" .. all cloak and dagger.

    If the formal Mexican government tried this, they'd be bought off in no time (which is likely the case now), coup d'etated quickly, or surrender from ranks depletion due to marching in easy-target straight lines.

    The only way to fight an al Qaeda-type operation sporting Taliban brazenness like the cartels is with similarly organized fire, complete with an unquenching ideological dedication to the cause that could not be bribed or overthrown.

    The "people" will have to want to do so, to take their country back.

    If they aren't willing to do what it takes, there's no hope.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Mexico needs to stabilize itself. The last thing we need to get involved in is another nation-building project.
    You don't see any way that a civil war on your expansive southern border could in any way be disadvantageous to you? If anything it would be a great deal cheaper then the cost that a flood of refugees would impose upon the country.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We send money to other countries. Why shouldn't we fix Mexico? .

    The bottom line is we can't afford to notfix Mexico. But just sending money will not do it. We need to take a very, very hard line. But that won't happen because of the lobby.
    Because we can't fix Mexico. It's a different culture, with different priorities, and different lifestyles.
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