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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Cigarettes and coffee have addictive properties too. Nicotine and caffeine are drugs too. There are adverse health effects for both nicotine and caffeine. But we allow them to be legal.

    Nicotine, in particular, is actually far more addictive than a number of street drugs.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

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    Will marijuana legalization solve the problem? Probably not. But it will reduce the influence of cartels by robbing them of a significant chunk of their income. You're right, probably, that the profit margins are higher for meth and heroin, but there's also a much smaller market for those drugs. I've seen different estimates as to how much of cartel revenue stems from pot, but it's somewhere between 25%-60%. Even if it's the low end number, a 25% reduction in revenue is a body blow to those organizations.
    Im totally on board for legalizing pot for reasons totally unrelated to mexicos drug war problem. if as a residual effect it improves their situation? Well...winner winner.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Frankly, the Mexican government is just about as corrupt as the drug cartels. The officials are easily bought off, and answer to no one.

    As for sending some of our troops- hell no.
    And the reason why the Mexican government is so corrupt is because they can't generate enough tax revenues to compete with criminal cartels.

    And the reason why they can't generate high enough tax revenues is because they cannot develop their economy to one that is more modern and diversified.

    And the reason why they can't modernize and diversify their economy is because drug cartels control one of their biggest markets - the manufacture and transport of recreational drugs.

    If Mexico were to legalize recreational drugs they could tax it, which would generate a revenue stream for the government, which would allow them to pay their government official decent wages, which would help them become less corrupt as well as allow that money to diversify into other economic sectors.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You're likely right with the Afghanistan/poppy analogy, but I would think that with the level of industriousness among the Mexican people, they would be able to come up with some other industries which could enrich the country as a whole.
    They could - but the incredible violence of the drug cartels is stifling that industriousness. Which means we need to take away the power of the drug cartels. And the most efficient way to do that is to legalize the drug trade.

    Free the use of recreational drugs and you free the ability of the Mexican people to develop their own economy.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im totally on board for legalizing pot for reasons totally unrelated to mexicos drug war problem. if as a residual effect it improves their situation? Well...winner winner.

    I totally agree that there are other reasons to legalize marijuana. It's basically harmless and has no meaningful impact on anyone. Since we ostensibly live in a free society, we really shouldn't need reasons to make something legal, we should need reasons to make something illegal.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    so - it's a lose-lose situation.

    Illegal = drug cartels, individuals and dealers are violent and dominating
    Legal = drug manufacturers, individuals and dealers are violent and dominating

    The % spread of who's violent and what they do - that's what changes. Aren't we tapped out with it being illegal already?
    If drug were legal, we would still get drug users who engage in violence of a sort.

    What we will take away, though, is violence caused by criminal organizations.

    There is a difference between having drug addicts who individually flip out and commit acts of violence because they get high on a certain drug and having a large organized paramilitary force that is capable of slaughtering an entire town and commit political assassinations.

    If I had to choose between the two, I would pick the former any day.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    They could - but the incredible violence of the drug cartels is stifling that industriousness. Which means we need to take away the power of the drug cartels. And the most efficient way to do that is to legalize the drug trade.

    Free the use of recreational drugs and you free the ability of the Mexican people to develop their own economy.
    But they weren't doing anything of the sort prior to the advancement of the drug cartels, and corruption of Mexican officials has been common for decades, if not longer. I really think the problem is much deeper than the cartels.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It doesn't necessarily stop usage, which is true.

    But what is does do is stop violence caused by criminal organizations who seek to control the drug trade while it is criminalized.

    It will also allow us to spend our tax revenue on prohibiting much more important crimes, such as human trafficking and sex slavery, which are huge problems right now. So what I would like to see is the elimination of the DEA but for the money we spent on that to prohibit the modern slave trade.

    I think that is a much worse problem that trying to stop people who want to use drugs themselves.
    Heres the thing about drug cartels. They are in it to win it. Marijuana was easy til it wasnt. Heroin and meth is the new thing. Shut off the profitability of marijuana and they will find another more vicious and viable drug to import. Cocaine was not all that bad a drug to manage until they started to rock it. Now...crack is a bitch to fight. We can change our game and they will adjust tactics, tools, types. At some point...mejico is going to have to do real battle with their cartels. Its going to be brutal. People need to realize who we are talking about. We are talking about people that have been for the last several years leaving headless bodies strewn across their countryside.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    But they weren't doing anything of the sort prior to the advancement of the drug cartels, and corruption of Mexican officials has been common for decades, if not longer. I really think the problem is much deeper than the cartels.
    No, you are right. For example, their inability to modernize their economy, and their historical reliance as a source of cheap physical labor. Historically, there are many factors to all that.

    But I think right now, in this contemporary time, the emerging narco-terrorist state that Mexico is becoming is inhibiting the development of their country much more than any other factor.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Heres the thing about drug cartels. They are in it to win it. Marijuana was easy til it wasnt. Heroin and meth is the new thing. Shut off the profitability of marijuana and they will find another more vicious and viable drug to import. Cocaine was not all that bad a drug to manage until they started to rock it. Now...crack is a bitch to fight. We can change our game and they will adjust tactics, tools, types. At some point...mejico is going to have to do real battle with their cartels. Its going to be brutal. People need to realize who we are talking about. We are talking about people that have been for the last several years leaving headless bodies strewn across their countryside.
    Which is why I, personally, am an advocate for legalization of absolutely all recreational drugs.

    I admit that I am a radical in this, and so I don't speak for all those who favor drug legalization.

    But my thoughts on drug legalization is that allowing people to do recreational drugs - including extremely hard ones such as meth and cocaine - is less of a societal blight that what criminalization of those drugs cause.

    That's my very personal opinion, though. I'm fine with people getting high with whatever they want to. I'm tired of paying so much money trying to stop people from doing it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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