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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It doesn't necessarily stop usage, which is true.

    But what is does do is stop violence caused by criminal organizations who seek to control the drug trade while it is criminalized.

    It will also allow us to spend our tax revenue on prohibiting much more important crimes, such as human trafficking and sex slavery, which are huge problems right now. So what I would like to see is the elimination of the DEA but for the money we spent on that to prohibit the modern slave trade.

    I think that is a much worse problem that trying to stop people who want to use drugs themselves.
    so - it's a lose-lose situation.

    Illegal = drug cartels, individuals and dealers are violent and dominating
    Legal = drug manufacturers, individuals and dealers are violent and dominating

    The % spread of who's violent and what they do - that's what changes. Aren't we tapped out with it being illegal already?
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    exactly - just because it's not a criminal offense doesn't mean it's not a negative blight and a problem to deal with.
    True enough, but that doesn't mean that treating a given negative blight as a criminal offense is a particularly effective solution. The utter failure of our war on drugs pretty clearly demonstrates that such is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We already deal with drunks and those who do dabbled in illicit drugs quite enough as it is *with* it being controlled and/or illegal . . . so increase all that? Nope - not doing it.
    You're making the assumption that decriminalizing a drug invariably leads to increased rates of usage. That is not true. In fact the evidence from places like Portugal and the Netherlands tends to suggest exactly the opposite.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not every drug that is illegal causes violent behavior in drug users.

    And most drug violence occurs for control of the drug trade. Take away that criminal impetus to control the drug trade and you take away the major cause of drug violence.



    No it wouldn't, especially if we allowed meth addicts to hold low skilled jobs and didn't discriminate against them. Allow them to earn the money for them to feed their addictions and they will.



    And yet you didn't address that point. So it's perfectly valid.



    Except not every behavior is worth being criminalized. And using recreational drugs isn't a behavior that is worth criminalizing. Therefore it should be legal.
    Simply put why dont you check with the people who's lives have been affected by crystal meth use. Talk to the people trying to get off it. Talk to those who have lost everything to it. Talk to the woman letting men mutilate their bodies for a hit. Talk to the men doing the same. Talk the parents who's children are on it. Talk to the children who's parents are on it. Talk to those people and ask them if more people should be doing meth. Ask them if it should be more readily available. Let me know how that works out for you.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    I was talking about drugs use in general, which has gone down now that resources have been diverted into rehabilitation. But yes i think legalization would certainly take away the allure for teenagers.
    And education too.

    Cigarette smoking has decreased dramatically since education on the bad health results of smoking cigarettes have been taught to kids.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Simply put why dont you check with the people who's lives have been affected by crystal meth use. Talk to the people trying to get off it. Talk to those who have lost everything to it. Talk to the woman letting men mutilate their bodies for a hit. Talk to the men doing the same. Talk the parents who's children are on it. Talk to the children who's parents are on it. Talk to those people and ask them if more people should be doing meth. Ask them if it should be more readily available. Let me know how that works out for you.
    I will when you talk to the hundreds of people who have had family and friends killed in Mexico because of the cartels trying to control the illegal drug trade.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And education too.

    Cigarette smoking has decreased dramatically since education on the bad health results of smoking cigarettes have been taught to kids.
    I was watching this documentary on Portuguese drug policy some time back and they went around Lisbon asking teenagers if they smoked pot and they all said words to the effect of "No! of course not! Its bad for you!" whereas teenagers here would show of about how rebellious they where.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Somehow I think that cigarettes, or coffee is just a little different than heroin, and cocaine....


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    Cigarettes and coffee have addictive properties too. Nicotine and caffeine are drugs too. There are adverse health effects for both nicotine and caffeine. But we allow them to be legal.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Simply put why dont you check with the people who's lives have been affected by crystal meth use. Talk to the people trying to get off it. Talk to those who have lost everything to it. Talk to the woman letting men mutilate their bodies for a hit. Talk to the men doing the same. Talk the parents who's children are on it. Talk to the children who's parents are on it. Talk to those people and ask them if more people should be doing meth. Ask them if it should be more readily available. Let me know how that works out for you.
    Well, obviously the illegal status of the drugs did not prevent their use, and their ruination of lives.
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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Well......if the Portugal does it we should too!
    We shouldn't do it just because Portugal does it.

    We should do it because it will be more effective than what we're doing now, just as it is more effective in Portugal than what they were previously doing.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mexico is just getting worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I think that the best answer would be what Auntie mentioned - let the police get everything under control. But how would they? They have Presidential elections going on right now. I haven't read up alot on the candidates, but are they corrupt, too? Is it going to be just another warm body in that position, who looks the other way while 38 people are beheaded and stuffed into a car, or 9 people are hung from an overpass?

    If this was happening in America, what would we do?
    Last year before deciding on San Diego for a vacation using my RCI timeshare, I was seriously looking at an all inclusive resort in Cancun. There is a reason why there are many all inclusive resorts in Mexico.... Personally, if I want to go somewhere, I want to experience that culture and see the place. It was highly advised not to go into Cancun much, definitely during the day and if going into the city to not do so alone and to stay in the main parts. Its just not worth it right now.

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