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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Here is a recent poll from liberal sources...Washingingpost leans left...and CBS and NYTS certainly do...

    A recent poll by CBS NYTS shows only 38% of america support formal gay marriage ..but more support civil unions.

    Does a majority of the country really support gay marriage?
    As is often true in polling, it depends on how you ask the question.
    A Gallup poll last week showed that 51 percent of Americans support gay marriage, but a CBS News/New York Times poll out today shows that only 38 percent support it.

    The difference: Gallup gave voters just two options — support or oppose — while the CBS/NYT poll added a third, civil unions.

    Does a majority of Americans really support gay marriage? Maybe not. - The Washington Post


    In another CBS/NTS poll...that polled 6% more democrats than GOP....showed 67% of america believes the president came out for gay marriage only for political reasons and not conviction.
    Thats exactly what I said when he did it...if it was pure conviction he would have done it before Joe Biden forced his hand to make a declaration.
    I am having a hard time buying the polls. There are now 32 states that have constitutional amendments to oppose gay marriage. Yet these polls keep coming out saying we are ok with it. I wish we were, but it seems when we are in the voting booth, we change our minds.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I am having a hard time buying the polls. There are now 32 states that have constitutional amendments to oppose gay marriage. Yet these polls keep coming out saying we are ok with it. I wish we were, but it seems when we are in the voting booth, we change our minds.
    Well and the polls are nationwide polls of eligible voters. Not statewide polls of likely voters...

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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Well and the polls are nationwide polls of eligible voters. Not statewide polls of likely voters...
    This is not the only poll. They do polls before state elections of likely voters. I was speaking in a broader sense to the one poll.
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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This is not the only poll. They do polls before state elections of likely voters. I was speaking in a broader sense to the one poll.
    The state polls are likely influenced by what people want to hear and by giving a black or white option. Marriage or nothing when most prefer unions. Though I think that's a stupid option myself.

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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    You have no need to convince them when they are overrode by the Supreme Court. Which is what's going to happen. That's what happened with interracial marriage.
    I wouldnt put all your marbles on the supreme court voting for gay marriage just yet....and just like everyone KNEW slavery was wrong...they knew interracial marriage bans against one man and one woman were wrong too and they are not related to gay marriage... the proponents want them to be connected for effect..

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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I wouldnt put all your marbles on the supreme court voting for gay marriage just yet....and just like everyone KNEW slavery was wrong...they knew interracial marriage bans against one man and one woman were wrong too and they are not related to gay marriage... the proponents want them to be connected for effect..
    Actually, your logic was used to continue the ban against interracial marriage. You see how well that turned out. But frankly, the supreme court is going to vote to overturn. It's going to come down to Kennedy. Kennedy has already expressed that homosexuals should have equal rights to heterosexuals via his analysis in Lawrence. He will then apply that to Loving. So yeah... it's happening.

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    Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session - Yahoo! News <-- clicky


    So it's not just semantics.

    It's not just about the "word" marriage.

    It is an equal rights issue, and there are GOP candidates and republican/conservative people who simply refuse to allow equal rights to a subset of American citizens.
    You have to look at this objectively. It is not just the GOP/repub/conservatives who refuse to allow it. It is the liberal/dems as well. Dems had a super majority here in Colorado and they were petitioned repeatedly to try to get it passed and it never came up. As much as I dont like the people in office now, at least they tried and heard the arguments. This was being pushed by Republicans and the Republican governor stated he would sign it immediately if it passed. It sucks that it didn't pass, but at least these guys tried. Much more than the "democrats" who were in office before them.
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