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    German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Here's an article with the breakdown of rounds fired by German police in 2011:

    85 rounds fired: Article
    - 49 Warning shots
    - 36 Bullets fired at suspected criminals
    - 15 suspected criminals injured
    - 6 suspected criminals killed

    Even per capita, their rate of violent crimes is less than 1/4th of what it is in the US. What is it about their culture / government, that makes them inherently less violent?

    I certainly wouldn't say that it's their restrictive gun policy, because Switzerland has more guns per head than any country in europe, and still has 1/2 the violent crimes per capita of Germany, or 1/8th of America.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    The Germans know how to keep their **** together.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Here's an article with the breakdown of rounds fired by German police in 2011:

    85 rounds fired: Article
    - 49 Warning shots
    - 36 Bullets fired at suspected criminals
    - 15 suspected criminals injured
    - 6 suspected criminals killed

    Even per capita, their rate of violent crimes is less than 1/4th of what it is in the US. What is it about their culture / government, that makes them inherently less violent?

    I certainly wouldn't say that it's their restrictive gun policy, because Switzerland has more guns per head than any country in europe, and still has 1/2 the violent crimes per capita of Germany, or 1/8th of America.
    Because we're a stupid country with anger issues and an inferiority complex.

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Here's an article with the breakdown of rounds fired by German police in 2011:

    85 rounds fired: Article
    - 49 Warning shots
    - 36 Bullets fired at suspected criminals
    - 15 suspected criminals injured
    - 6 suspected criminals killed

    Even per capita, their rate of violent crimes is less than 1/4th of what it is in the US. What is it about their culture / government, that makes them inherently less violent?

    I certainly wouldn't say that it's their restrictive gun policy, because Switzerland has more guns per head than any country in europe, and still has 1/2 the violent crimes per capita of Germany, or 1/8th of America.
    An important lesson here:

    No warning shots! Ever! You are either justified in firing on a threat or not.

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    An important lesson here:

    No warning shots! Ever! You are either justified in firing on a threat or not.
    That's not true. Why shoot an actual shot at a suspected criminal if a warning shot could cause him to surrender? The shot after a warning shot is statistically meant to kill.

    This however doesn't have an effect on the actual topic, why is their society less prone to violence?
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    did you ever stop to consider it might not be the police but rather the criminal element?

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    did you ever stop to consider it might not be the police but rather the criminal element?
    That's exactly what I asked, why is it that their society has inherently less crime than ours?
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's not true. Why shoot an actual shot at a suspected criminal if a warning shot could cause him to surrender? The shot after a warning shot is statistically meant to kill.
    Wrong....Shots fired into the air or ground in an attempt to cause a fleeing suspect to stop or surrender are a danger to the officer as well as innocent persons

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Wrong....Shots fired into the air or ground in an attempt to cause a fleeing suspect to stop or surrender are a danger to the officer as well as innocent persons
    You're missing the topic of the thread, please get on topic.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's exactly what I asked, why is it that their society has inherently less crime than ours?

    Comparing crime stats between nations is a difficult thing, with many opportunities for error. Laws and what is considered crime and what is serious or violent crime vary, for one. Reporting and recording vary, for another. Cultural differences are huge.

    I've studied the issue of international crime comparisons and the leading causes of violence seem to be:

    1. Government that is either lax, corrupt, excessively harsh or excessively lax in keeping the peace.
    2. Poverty and drug abuse.
    3. Factionalism: gangs, tribal violence, racial or ethnic violence, rebels vs enforcers, etc.

    The US is a huge and diverse nation with a high degree of heterogeneity. We have innumerable subcultures and ethnic groupings, along with a certain level of animosity between many of these groups. We also have a rather serious drug problem and problems with lots of gangs and cartels fighting over control of the drug trade.

    I don't have stats readily on hand, but I'd bet that somewhere between 50-70% of our murders, police shooting and serious crime are in some way related to drugs, drug trade and/or gangs.

    I don't really know enough about Germany to comment with any certainty, but I suspect they are more culturally homogenous than we are, and may not have as severe a problem with drugs and gangs.


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