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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Here's an article with the breakdown of rounds fired by German police in 2011:

    85 rounds fired: Article
    - 49 Warning shots
    - 36 Bullets fired at suspected criminals
    - 15 suspected criminals injured
    - 6 suspected criminals killed

    Even per capita, their rate of violent crimes is less than 1/4th of what it is in the US. What is it about their culture / government, that makes them inherently less violent?

    I certainly wouldn't say that it's their restrictive gun policy, because Switzerland has more guns per head than any country in europe, and still has 1/2 the violent crimes per capita of Germany, or 1/8th of America.
    The germans are taught responsibility. We are not. Look how the handle beer in Germany. It is treated as a beverage. Now look in America. We treat beer as if it is taboo.

    Responsibilty is taught at a young age. We miss the boat on that everytime.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The germans are taught responsibility. We are not. Look how the handle beer in Germany. It is treated as a beverage. Now look in America. We treat beer as if it is taboo.

    Responsibilty is taught at a young age. We miss the boat on that everytime.
    It would be interesting to extend your argument to countries like Mexico, Colombia, and South Africa. They seem to be even worse at catching boats.

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    They are saving up ammunition for another shot at world domination, obviously.

    For such a broad statistic, it's the experts typically suggest we refer to trends rather than going in circles with apples/oranges comparisons. I think a lot of what is mentioned is what contributes to that, but probably a lot more on top of that.

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    As a non-LEO, I think of several reasons that warning shots are stupid and dangerous.
    Perhaps I just see it from a soldier's perspective. Let me first make clear that in any situation, regardless of the circumstances, if I or any of my comrades are seriously threatened, I will always shoot to kill first and ask questions later.

    However, with that being said, there are levels of escalation of force. When I was in afghanistan, a warning shot could often show someone that you mean business without killing a local, which would only make the people turn further against you. Such a situation would be if a group of unarmed civilians were getting a little too aggressive in their ranges or postures to us, getting grabby, or throwing rocks.

    I can say it is certainly less of a big deal if a soldier gets a little hasty to wax an afghan than it is for a police officer to wax an aggressive citizen.

    All I'm trying to say is: There are SOME instances where warning shots can be helpful.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    They are saving up ammunition for another shot at world domination, obviously.

    For such a broad statistic, it's the experts typically suggest we refer to trends rather than going in circles with apples/oranges comparisons. I think a lot of what is mentioned is what contributes to that, but probably a lot more on top of that.
    Actually...true...if you count their total history...Germany makes the rest of the world look like pikers when it comes to 'gang violence'

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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    It would be interesting to extend your argument to countries like Mexico, Colombia, and South Africa. They seem to be even worse at catching boats.
    It is hard for me to comment on those countries because I have not lived there. I witnessed German culture and was a part of it.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Perhaps I just see it from a soldier's perspective. Let me first make clear that in any situation, regardless of the circumstances, if I or any of my comrades are seriously threatened, I will always shoot to kill first and ask questions later.

    However, with that being said, there are levels of escalation of force. When I was in afghanistan, a warning shot could often show someone that you mean business without killing a local, which would only make the people turn further against you. Such a situation would be if a group of unarmed civilians were getting a little too aggressive in their ranges or postures to us, getting grabby, or throwing rocks.

    I can say it is certainly less of a big deal if a soldier gets a little hasty to wax an afghan than it is for a police officer to wax an aggressive citizen.

    All I'm trying to say is: There are SOME instances where warning shots can be helpful.
    And then there are situation to the contrary, such as when someone mistake a warning shot for shooting at them.....and shoots back. Another is the chance of shooting an innocent bystander. Police shouldn't be running around discharging their weapons unless they think their lives or lives of others are in danger, and then shoot to kill.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    LOL - listen to you guys. "All hail Germany - they have their **** all figured out"

    Germany is still in rebound after being the sole source for the annihilation of tens of millions of people Europe-wide.

    In and effort to play nice with the kiddos on the playground after Hitler took his grand exit they overreacted in the opposite direction when they reformed. To use them as an example for anything is laughable . . . they're still ripe with inequality - they haven't found all the answers. People think they're awesome = how long do you think they can maintain that?

    They're just busy trying not to spawn another Hitler - even at the cost of individuality, freedom and success.
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    Re: German police shoot 36 bullets total at suspected criminals in 2011

    If Germanys drug trends are any indicator, increased violent crime rates are pretty much a done deal in Germany. Its just a matter of time.
    International - Germany | Drug War Facts

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