Can't we just turn Congress off and then turn it back on again?
What percentage of the population would you guess is stupid enough to think that a govt program that pays a salary to attend college will be anything more than a boondoggle of historic proportions?
I will meet you halfway....I would support a govt program that chooses the top 10% of all HS students, tests THEM, and then offer full scholarships to the top 10% of those tested. That will put our top 1% of brainpower into the top universities at govt expense, BUT if they don't then use their education appropriately, they have to pay back all the money.
Last edited by UtahBill; 05-20-12 at 01:49 PM.
Oracle of Utah
Truth rings hollow in empty heads.
Look at your post. Tell me, are you making an argument? Or are you just asserting your position?
I've made boatloads of arguments. I've discussed the way our needs for education change over time, I've compared and contrasted states with higher levels of education with ones with lower levels of education, I've presented the data on salary differentials, I've talked about how those salary differences would pay for the college and then some with more tax revenues, I've talked about how the level of education here would enhance our ability to compete with other countries for jobs and compete with immigrants for the jobs that are already here.
What arguments do you feel that you have presented? All I've seen is you asserting over and over that you think it is a stupid idea or blurting out slogans about people being lazy whiners or whatever. I haven't seen a single argument. Not one. I haven't seen you refute any of the arguments listed above. All I've seen you do is blurt out that you think they're wrong. I haven't seen you offer even one argument in favor of your position.
I'm not trying to be a dick. I've actually been enjoying our discussion anyways. But you need to up your game a bit man. You need to start going through policy questions more carefully analyzing the advantages and disadvantages pragmatically and not just rely so easily on the first slogan that pops into your head.
This thread has gotten pretty big but I think I will put my two cents in again as I think there is much more pertaining to this. My generation has inherited a **** storm. Wages are flat, prices are high, and several in the older generations want to blame 20-somethings exclusively for their bad luck. While true that is a big part of it, my step-dads father back in the 70s could secure a $24/hr steel mill 40 hour job, a very cheap house paid off in ten years and be the only one working in a household of 5 children and live comfortably.
In order for many to obtain this now, one, you will probably be getting paid $24/hr at a steel mill today--which by today's standards is fantastic but you would need a 30 year mortgage, and your wife will have to be working or chances are someone is going to have to have a college degree in the first place in order to offset the cost of ****.
"We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan