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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Again, if no more people got more education, it would raise taxes by the same amount it saves us in education spending, so it would be a wash. If more people went to college it would save money because they would be paying more in taxes on their additional income than their education costs.
    Too many students are already in four-year institutions who don't need to be there, IMO. Continuing to support excellent two-year degrees in applied science--e.g. allied health and network administration is one positive move.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, we are falling behind the rest of the world in terms of education. That is what your articles say and that is something everybody knows. We used to be right at the very top of the list for education, now we're steadily dropping. Isn't picking up the pace and getting more education the obvious solution to being out competed by countries that are more educated?
    Only Switzerland spends more per pupil than America. The public school system can't be reformed. There are too many people whose livelihoods depend on maintenance of the status quo. Nothing is going to change.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

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    Too many students are already in four-year institutions who don't need to be there, IMO. Continuing to support excellent two-year degrees in applied science--e.g. allied health and network administration is one positive move.
    The median person makes 37% more for their entire career if they finish the 4 year degree instead of stopping at 2. Why would you encourage somebody to do that? The extra 2 years pay for themselves in no time and then the whole rest of their lives they'll make that much more.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If that's the case, it's just one more proof that American high schools need a serious overhaul, which clearly they do.
    They do..schools need to dump all the social engineering and indoctrination crap that takes most of the day and go back to teaching the 4Rs...

    This is pretty simple...when I was in school we were in school longer per day than most kids are today...we were in school from 7:45am to 3:15pm...and we were taught any social engineering at all....so how the hell can they have enough time in the day to teach them what they REALLY need to learn....

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Only Switzerland spends more per pupil than America. The public school system can't be reformed. There are too many people whose livelihoods depend on maintenance of the status quo. Nothing is going to change.
    IMO the main reasons other countries are beating us on education are that they pay for college across the board and that for K-12 they have longer school years. But, regardless, what to do to improve the quality of K-12 is another topic.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    College is far too expensive. It had to go $25,000 in debt to get my bachelors. When I graduate I will probably have somewhere between 150-200,000 in debt. Nearly all grad students have this level of debt (or more). It has become insane. The cost of education is very high, and once you start a grad program the government literally drops you from everything and offers no aid outside of unsubsidized loans that begin at a 6.8% interest rate that begins accruing immediately.

    The other problem though is students who spend tons of money to major in something that is not economically feasable. Everyone wants to "follow their heart" or "chase their dreams" and decide to get a degree and wind up going into debt and not being able to use their degree to earn a living befitting of someone with a bachelors.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    IMO the main reasons other countries are beating us on education are that they pay for college across the board and that for K-12 they have longer school years. But, regardless, what to do to improve the quality of K-12 is another topic.
    Yeah, it is another topic. I wish I had some answers. Actually, I wish someone, anyone, had some answers.

    My generation has really screwed things up for these kids. A bunch of fat, dumb and happy baby boomers.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The median person makes 37% more for their entire career if they finish the 4 year degree instead of stopping at 2. Why would you encourage somebody to do that? The extra 2 years pay for themselves in no time and then the whole rest of their lives they'll make that much more.
    and the hard part hasn't been addressed yet, how do you get these kids to WANT more education?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and the hard part hasn't been addressed yet, how do you get these kids to WANT more education?
    Well one thing is for sure, you don't go around bashing education. You raise your kids to understand that education is the key to everything. To their future, to their ability to make a difference in the world, to the future of the country, everything. And you do everything you can both as a voter and as a parent to make that path as attractive as possible for kids to follow.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well one thing is for sure, you don't go around bashing education. You raise your kids to understand that education is the key to everything. To their future, to their ability to make a difference in the world, to the future of the country, everything. And you do everything you can both as a voter and as a parent to make that path as attractive as possible for kids to follow.
    already doing that, for MY kids.....and you should be doing it for YOUR kids....and taxpayers should not be paying for advanced education unless the student is a bona fide genius in the making...
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