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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

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    No, that's not true at all. Manufacturing is only 14% of the economy. It USED TO BE what powered the economy up until about 20 years ago. We're moving away from manufacturing into higher return fields. Not that we want to turn manufacturing jobs away. Certainly they're still a good thing. But our growth area is clearly information economy jobs. Manufacturing is mostly being done by much poorer countries than us. It's last generation's work.

    I dunno. It just doesn't seem like you believe in the idea of progress in general. Like your vision for the future and your vision of the past aren't really much any different. That's not a vision for the country I could possibly ever get behind.
    partly true, we are supposedly in an information age....but information is too often abused...

    the way to make money has become lying to the public, misleading them into buying things they can't afford, then when their dreams die, someone comes in and picks the bones....it is called vulture capitalism. Go out and kill something, then pick its bones clean.
    It isn't sustainable.
    Not sure what is coming next, but I won't be a part of it. One of my neighbors is an "investment counselor" and tried to get me to turn over a chunk of money for him to invest for me. Sorry, been there, done that, lost money at it. I learned something.
    That was an education I paid dearly for, before I bailed out and took personal control. Maybe the govt should pay me for learning that?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

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    Well...we have a higher percentage of educated people than ever before....and we're slipping in every catagory, including "inventing things". How does that fit your vision?
    No we're not. Not even close. Our economy has grown by an average of 2.4% a quarter for the last 2 years. That's above average. The nasdaq just hit the highest level its been at since Clinton was in office. It has grown back not just from the slump, but has recovered the entire amount lost during the whole Bush presidency in just 3 years. But, regardless, trying to analyze a question about employment trends based on short term data is ridiculous. We need to plan for our education needs 30 years out. Of course there will be recessions in that time. That doesn't mean that history is suddenly going to stop.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    my main problem with the current university system in the West is that we are pushing young people into going to College who then go and get a degree only to go work in the service indusrty etc. I think we should cut univeristy courses in half and persuade more people to go to trade school, apprenticeship etc. People are coming out of college with degrees that theey will never use and are up to their necks in debt, makes no sense to me.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No we're not. Not even close. Our economy has grown by an average of 2.4% a quarter for the last 2 years. That's above average. The nasdaq just hit the highest level its been at since Clinton was in office. It has grown back not just from the slump, but has recovered the entire amount lost during the whole Bush presidency in just 3 years. But, regardless, trying to analyze a question about employment trends based on short term data is ridiculous. We need to plan for our education needs 30 years out. Of course there will be recessions in that time. That doesn't mean that history is suddenly going to stop.
    Is America Losing Its Edge? | Foreign Affairs
    Space disgrace: U.S. will lose hard-earned technology edge - Houston Chronicle
    U.S. Losing Competitive Edge in Technology, Science: National Science Board - IT Infrastructure - News & Reviews - eWeek.com


    It's all about partisanship, eh?

    BTW, we ranked at 159 for economic growth in 2011.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    my main problem with the current university system in the West is that we are pushing young people into going to College who then go and get a degree only to go work in the service indusrty etc. I think we should cut univeristy courses in half and persuade more people to go to trade school, apprenticeship etc. People are coming out of college with degrees that theey will never use and are up to their necks in debt, makes no sense to me.
    You're just looking at it through the lens of the recession we are still clawing our way out of. That isn't typical at all. You don't want to plan your education strategy around this year, you want to plan it around the time between 4 and 40 years from now. But, even now, people with bachelor's degrees are making a median of 37% more than people with 2 year trade degrees.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    So wait a minute... Let me get this straight. You think we are losing our edge in science and technology so you want to educate people LESS?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So wait a minute... Let me get this straight. You think we are losing our edge in science and technology so you want to educate people LESS?
    an education alone does not make for much progress, especially when you consider where, and who, the education comes from....
    ONLY the best and brightest should get advanced education, dolts need not apply....
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So wait a minute... Let me get this straight. You think we are losing our edge in science and technology so you want to educate people LESS?
    Nice diversion, and look back and find where I said I wanted to educate people less. I'll wait. The point remains, we are more educated than ever and losing our technological edge. Your vision is flawed...and apparently, hyper-partisan.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    an education alone does not make for much progress, especially when you consider where, and who, the education comes from....
    ONLY the best and brightest should get advanced education, dolts need not apply....
    Well, I've explained why that isn't so a dozen different ways, but you seem to just be ignoring everything I'm posting and just repeating your assumption over and over. So let me try another way. The biggest problem this country faces right now economically is how far red states are lagging behind blue states. The median income in blue states is $10k/year higher. That's the difference between the US and Italy. Every major economic boom in modern history has come from a blue state. If the red states caught up to the blue states we would be running a surplus. Now, why is that happening? What are the red states doing wrong? It seems to me that the obvious answer is their lackluster educational systems and the lack of commitment to staying in school by conservatives. The students in the top schools are overwhelmingly liberals from blue states. The average Democrat has 1.5 more years of education than the average Republican. Red states lag way behind blue states in the number of people with college degrees and radically far behind in terms of the number of people with graduate degrees.

    The picture of the economy you are presenting as being mostly driven by things like manufacturing and manual labor seems totally bizarre to me. I don't know anyone, not one single person, that works in an area like that. Not all my friends are in jobs that officially require college degrees, but virtually all of them are in jobs where more than 90% of the people have college degrees, about 1/3 of them are in fields where a graduate degree is required. So the economy you're describing just sounds to me like some kind of page out of a history book from 30 years ago. But it is dawning on me now that maybe what is going on is that you're describing what you see living in a red state. That maybe red states really are that far behind.

    So, if that's the case, what is the solution? It sure isn't to just continue to lazy around not getting an education and doing jobs that don't need one. So you tell me. If not education, what is it that you think the red states need in order to catch up?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Nice diversion, and look back and find where I said I wanted to educate people less. I'll wait. The point remains, we are more educated than ever and losing our technological edge. Your vision is flawed...and apparently, hyper-partisan.
    No, we are falling behind the rest of the world in terms of education. That is what your articles say and that is something everybody knows. We used to be right at the very top of the list for education, now we're steadily dropping. Isn't picking up the pace and getting more education the obvious solution to being out competed by countries that are more educated?
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