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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I didn't, but I paid a whole lot less tuition that today's college kids do now, and moreover made far more money than 99% of them can now, at least if you allow for inflation.

    Actually, education should not be free, not even K-12. Everyone should pay something, or education is seen as free and therefore of little value. It should not be out of reach of anyone, however, and it should be possible to graduate debt free. We don't want to make schooling difficult to obtain if we want to have an educated population.


    We do want to have an educated population, don't we? The alternative is to become like a third world country.
    it wasn't that long ago that we were not a debtor nation, now we are....
    the govt can't keep spending for things we don't need with money we don't have and expect to retire our debt.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah that's probably true. So what should our goal be? To give up and let things fall apart? Or to try to reduce the number of people in that boat and boost up our economy?
    Boosting the economy and creating jobs for non-degreed people is how you make things better. People that want to get the much smaller percentage of degreed jobs available will get their education.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Boosting the economy and creating jobs for non-degreed people is how you make things better. People that want to get the much smaller percentage of degreed jobs available will get their education.
    I dunno man. Your vision of the world and progress is just very different than mine I guess. I think we ought to move forward as fast as we can. Most the most people into the best jobs possible, develop new technologies as fast as we can, etc. It seems like you just kind of want to go back to the jobs of the past. People working in factories and whatnot. That's the wrong direction. You're headed backwards.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's right. Read my post before you reply to it.
    I did. The point is you're bitching about the cost of education, but you think that "the government" covering this horrendous cost would somehow "raise taxes a bit". Math is obviously not your strong suit.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I did. The point is you're bitching about the cost of education, but you think that "the government" covering this horrendous cost would somehow "raise taxes a bit". Math is obviously not your strong suit.
    Again, if no more people got more education, it would raise taxes by the same amount it saves us in education spending, so it would be a wash. If more people went to college it would save money because they would be paying more in taxes on their additional income than their education costs.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I dunno man. Your vision of the world and progress is just very different than mine I guess. I think we ought to move forward as fast as we can. Most the most people into the best jobs possible, develop new technologies as fast as we can, etc. It seems like you just kind of want to go back to the jobs of the past. People working in factories and whatnot. That's the wrong direction. You're headed backwards.
    So, you think the majority of Americans are BS recipients in waiting, huh?

    Manufacturing is what employs the masses. Without it, our economy will continue to suck.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Again, if no more people got more education, it would raise taxes by the same amount it saves us in education spending, so it would be a wash. If more people went to college it would save money because they would be paying more in taxes on their additional income than their education costs.
    Not when companies don't have to offer you as much to get you to work for them, because there are 1000 more applicants with the same credentials applying for the same job.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, you think the majority of Americans are BS recipients in waiting, huh?

    Manufacturing is what employs the masses. Without it, our economy will continue to suck.
    No, that's not true at all. Manufacturing is only 14% of the economy. It USED TO BE what powered the economy up until about 20 years ago. We're moving away from manufacturing into higher return fields. Not that we want to turn manufacturing jobs away. Certainly they're still a good thing. But our growth area is clearly information economy jobs. Manufacturing is mostly being done by much poorer countries than us. It's last generation's work.

    I dunno. It just doesn't seem like you believe in the idea of progress in general. Like your vision for the future and your vision of the past aren't really much any different. That's not a vision for the country I could possibly ever get behind.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not when companies don't have to offer you as much to get you to work for them, because there are 1000 more applicants with the same credentials applying for the same job.
    We're just going around in circles. Again, the more educated people, the more new things they invent, the more new business models and approaches and ideas. The more of that that goes on, the more jobs there are that require people with educations. Progress.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    We're just going around in circles. Again, the more educated people, the more new things they invent, the more new business models and approaches and ideas. The more of that that goes on, the more jobs there are that require people with educations. Progress.
    Well...we have a higher percentage of educated people than ever before....and we're slipping in every catagory, including "inventing things". How does that fit your vision?
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