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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    who? the whiners who can't go out in the real world and make a life for themselves, the ones who want an all expense paid luxury transition between childhood and adulthood.
    But you keep hoping and wishing, at least you will be providing comedic relief to those who are actually DOING something for themselves instead of wasting time trying to garner support for an unsupportable premise.
    I doubt anyone on DP got paid a salary to go to college....
    IMO Republicans just need to learn to think more pragmatically and get less easily caught up in sloganeering. All the characterization about whiners and luxuries and salaries and all that is just flat out irrelevant. The only relevant question is what the actual real world impacts of such a policy would be. It seems clear to me that the impacts would be positive- more people going to college. If we started having the government pay for all college and the exact same number of people attended as do today, on average it would be a wash. Taxes would go up a bit, but the amount each person spends on education would go down, so it would even out. If more people went to college, they would be increasing the tax revenue by more than the cost of their education, so taxes would go down. We would be saving money and at the same time boosting up our GDP. No amount of rhetoric about whiners or whatever changes that, right?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    who? the whiners who can't go out in the real world and make a life for themselves, the ones who want an all expense paid luxury transition between childhood and adulthood.
    But you keep hoping and wishing, at least you will be providing comedic relief to those who are actually DOING something for themselves instead of wasting time trying to garner support for an unsupportable premise.
    I doubt anyone on DP got paid a salary to go to college....
    I didn't, but I paid a whole lot less tuition that today's college kids do now, and moreover made far more money than 99% of them can now, at least if you allow for inflation.

    Actually, education should not be free, not even K-12. Everyone should pay something, or education is seen as free and therefore of little value. It should not be out of reach of anyone, however, and it should be possible to graduate debt free. We don't want to make schooling difficult to obtain if we want to have an educated population.


    We do want to have an educated population, don't we? The alternative is to become like a third world country.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    A right? What are you talking about? Nobody said anything about rights...

    The question is- should our goal be just to have a population that is making a living wage? If that's the goal, hell, lets just toss out all these computers and whatnot. We can live just fine being a primarily agricultural society... I didn't realize that was your goal...
    It's not my goal...it's reality. There will always be a sizeable portion of society that will be limited to living wage, and another that will be limited to below living wage.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Ah, so you want more than Mac does then. You want a strong economy. He apparently just wants people getting a living wage. For a strong economy you want to max out the education. At a minimum you need to have a population that is at least as educated as the other first world countries to stay first world, but ideally we should shoot for the stars.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    IMO Republicans just need to learn to think more pragmatically and get less easily caught up in sloganeering. All the characterization about whiners and luxuries and salaries and all that is just flat out irrelevant. The only relevant question is what the actual real world impacts of such a policy would be. It seems clear to me that the impacts would be positive- more people going to college. If we started having the government pay for all college and the exact same number of people attended as do today, on average it would be a wash. Taxes would go up a bit, but the amount each person spends on education would go down, so it would even out. If more people went to college, they would be increasing the tax revenue by more than the cost of their education, so taxes would go down. We would be saving money and at the same time boosting up our GDP. No amount of rhetoric about whiners or whatever changes that, right?
    We wouldn't be having "the government" pay for all college. We'd be paying for it.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I didn't, but I paid a whole lot less tuition that today's college kids do now, and moreover made far more money than 99% of them can now, at least if you allow for inflation.

    Actually, education should not be free, not even K-12. Everyone should pay something, or education is seen as free and therefore of little value. It should not be out of reach of anyone, however, and it should be possible to graduate debt free. We don't want to make schooling difficult to obtain if we want to have an educated population.


    We do want to have an educated population, don't we? The alternative is to become like a third world country.
    It is possible to graduate debt free. I did it, so can anyone else.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's not my goal...it's reality. There will always be a sizeable portion of society that will be limited to living wage, and another that will be limited to below living wage.
    Yeah that's probably true. So what should our goal be? To give up and let things fall apart? Or to try to reduce the number of people in that boat and boost up our economy?
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    We wouldn't be having "the government" pay for all college. We'd be paying for it.
    Anything the government pays for, we pay for.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    We wouldn't be having "the government" pay for all college. We'd be paying for it.
    That's right. Read my post before you reply to it.
    Total tax rates- People living in poverty: 16.2%. The median American: 27%. Working people who make over $140k/year: 31%. The top 1%: 30%. Super rich investors: around 15%. Help the democrats retake the house.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Anything the government pays for, we pay for.
    at cost plus 50%.....
    once the govt gets its hands on it, cost overruns are not far behind.....
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