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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    "poorly paid adjuncts" i.e. graduate assistants, are paid more than 45 grand on average? No kidding? I think I'll go back to grad school.
    Lowest median was $45,900, average is 59k. Do you ever look anything up?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah that's true most places. IMO education should all be totally funded out of taxes like most first world countries do. We should be eliminating as many barriers to education as possible. We're already sliding because of our lackluster pursuit of education and the next generation is going to require a lot more education than we do. We need to be ramping up educationally and when people aren't going to college just because their parents don't have a ton of money, that's huge economic waste. It's like not cashing in a $100k lottery ticket because you don't want to spend $5 on the gas to get to the store.
    There are other ways to go to college than paying for it. The GI Bill and state schools...someone could get a MBA.

    And when does the free pass stop? Should we give out free PhDs? Keep people in school until 37 on free education? We have to put the breaks on it somewhere, and highschool is fine. We aren't even performing well on that stage and we want to extend education for another 4 years? Let those who are taking the lead, lead. Those who want to fall off to the wayside...fall away.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Lowest median was $45,900, average is 59k. Do you ever look anything up?
    OK, I'll take your challenge and look it up. Lookee here what I found!

    Georgia Tech:

    Graduate Teaching Assistant

    5 Georgia Tech Salaries
    $21,705
    $16k
    $25k
    Purdue
    Graduate Assistant

    8 Purdue University Salaries
    $18,488
    $10k
    $32k
    45 K?

    Looking it up proved you wrong.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    And when does the free pass stop? Should we give out free PhDs? Keep people in school until 37 on free education? We have to put the breaks on it somewhere, and highschool is fine.
    Actually Phds usually are free. A student that is operating at that level is usually more valuable to the university than the cost of their education. They TA classes and get published and build up the reputation of the school and help get research grants and all that, so more often than not schools either don't charge them or charge them very little.

    As for how far we go, I think all education should be free. Of course, you should have to qualify for it. Not everybody is cut out for graduate level work, but everybody should be able to at least go to college. High school just isn't enough education anymore. It was 30 years ago, but it isn't today, and it certainly won't be 30 years from now, and people who are 18 today will certainly still be working in 30 years. It just seems pathetic to me that so many people are ready to just give up on the future and say "eh, whatever, we can just be a country of car wash operators and ditch diggers"... Come on man! Where is your patriotism? We should be striving for a future where we are leading the world in science and whatnot! Quit giving up so easy! You shouldn't be hoping your kids end up holding down the same kind of job your dad did, you should be hoping that your kids work in a field that hasn't even been invented yet doing work that you can't even begin to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    We aren't even performing well on that stage and we want to extend education for another 4 years?
    That makes zero sense. If kids aren't educated enough when they turn 18 that means they need more education, not less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    To quote a great, "If there is a will, there is a way."
    You just fundamentally misunderstand the whole situation... The goal isn't to weed out those who are less worthy or something lol. The goal is to try to build up as many people as we can as far as we can.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Nothing is free.
    Things that benefit us all need to be paid for by us all. Such things as parks, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, and street lights are a benefit to us all, and so should be paid for collectively.

    Clothes, cars, TVs, computers are a benefit to the purchaser, and so need to be paid for by the user.

    We all benefit from having an educated populace.
    but how much education ??
    Last year the USA graduated about 120,000 engineers, and if we double that number the wages of those engineers will go down. We only need so many....
    Clearly we have way too many lawyers and politicians....do we need more of those?
    As a technician, I watched my profession change such that we need fewer and fewer techs, since electonics is cheaper to replace than repair, not to mention that the reliability is so much better now and long before our gadgets need repair, they are obsolete anyway.
    It is a waste of resources to train or retrain people into dying professions, something else that we seem to do a lot...
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Last year the USA graduated about 120,000 engineers, and if we double that number the wages of those engineers will go down. We only need so many....
    That is emphatically false. Many engineering jobs are being filled by people that come here from other countries on visas. There are many engineering jobs in other countries working for companies that would be here if we had more highly capable engineers. There is an infinite amount of engineering work to do. It isn't like every day the trucks drop off 100 pounds of engineering problems and once you get through them there isn't anything left to do... We have an infinite amount of things that have yet to be invented and problems that are yet to be solved. We haven't even really started in on nanotech for example and that holds incredible promise and is not that far around the corner. We don't have a moon base yet or flying cars or 200 year lifespans or an iphone with a screen that doesn't get greasy yet. More engineers means moving the ball forward faster, more inventions, more new fields of research, more new gadgets, etc.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well of course not. What it means is that we'll generate high end jobs 5% faster than we would have otherwise next year or that the productivity of those workers that got educations will go up 15% and whatnot. And then we'll nudge it up again a bit faster the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that. That's how progress happens- a little bit at a time. But why is that an argument against it?
    not really....
    we trudge along creating apps for old technology til new ideas come along. The last major breakthrough was by Einstein in 1930....we have been working on better understanding E=mc2 for a long time now, and will continue.
    Most progress puts people in the position of having to work smarter, not harder, and more leisure time is created.
    We might be better off adding birth control chemicals to the water supply...
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How would you define "basic"? Should free public education end after the third grade? The sixth grade? where?

    You do bring up a good point, though. there is no point in training more sociologists and English majors than there are jobs. Free higher education needs to be tied to actual needs. Maybe then, we wouldn't have so many out of work college graduates.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I have to argue that as the US is moving from an industrial to a knowledge economy, thus if most people have degrees, it will be better for the economy as a whole.
    but which of today's knowledge will be useful tomorrow?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    not really....
    we trudge along creating apps for old technology til new ideas come along. The last major breakthrough was by Einstein in 1930....we have been working on better understanding E=mc2 for a long time now, and will continue.
    Most progress puts people in the position of having to work smarter, not harder, and more leisure time is created.
    We might be better off adding birth control chemicals to the water supply...
    Uh, who did you think comes up with those breakthroughs lol? It seems like you were thinking they just like magically appear one day and until they do we're just basically waiting...

    Also the notion that e=mc2 is the last significant breakthrough is obviously ridiculous. The computer came sense then and that has created more sophisticated jobs than anything ever has. The largest engineering project of all time isn't the hoover dam or the sears tower or something, it is Microsoft Windows. By far. New discoveries are made every single day by scientists that warrant further research and development. Every hour really.
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