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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why should any undergrad program cost 50 grand a year?

    High schools spend around 10 grand or so, more in affluent areas and in pockets of poverty that attract federal dollars perhaps, but still somewhere around that figure. High school kids are still not considered to be adults, and so have to be watched all of the time they're at school. Universities, on the other hand, have them in class for two or three hours a day at most, and leave them on their own the rest of the time. Moreover, the college can put 200 students into a big lecture hall with one professor. Try that with high school kids and see what happens. Higher education is much less labor intensive, then, and yet the cost is a lot more. Sure, the professors have to have a high degree of education, but most of them still aren't payed any great salary. I've interviewed college professors wanting to go back to K -12, and why? Because the pay is better.

    So, why should college be so expensive in the first place?
    College professors get paid more than twice what high school teachers get paid.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Your state schools are funded with tax dollars? Mine are. If you want to go out of state, you have to pay a premium. But the cost of college is greatly reduced for in-state tuition. Especially here in CT.
    even less if you go to a junior college for the first two years.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    They do leave out the cost involved in making enough colleges to support everyone. But it seems believers of this 'free' idea, as is often seen, don't much think about the reality of funding such things.
    It's been my observation that people who things should given out for free, believe that things are free, to begin with. They usually don't have a clue about how it costs money to do, everything.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

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    College professors get paid more than twice what high school teachers get paid.
    Really? Are you sure about that? I think it depends on how much they publish, but that might not be right.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Really? Are you sure about that? I think it depends on how much they publish, but that might not be right.

    The average US teacher salary is about 45k and the average professor's salary is 100k (not including grant and research income).
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The average US teacher salary is about 45k and the average professor's salary is 100k (not including grant and research income).
    I would like to point out though that most universities are using poorly paid adjuncts to teach their classes and tenure professorships are turning into a thing of the past.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I would like to point out though that most universities are using poorly paid adjuncts to teach their classes and tenure professorships are turning into a thing of the past.
    Even the poorly paid adjuncts make more on average than the average teacher. Just not by as great a margin.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Even the poorly paid adjuncts make more on average than the average teacher. Just not by as great a margin.
    "poorly paid adjuncts" i.e. graduate assistants, are paid more than 45 grand on average? No kidding? I think I'll go back to grad school.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    even less if you go to a junior college for the first two years.
    JC's are of course less expensive...assuming the courses you need are being offered in the first place (and then at times when working students can take them). Here in CA, the system is in shambles. A "four-year" degree is typically five due to lack of class offerings and cuts in financial aid, and in many cases (including my own), doing "two years" of JC classes ends up being three or four because anything in STEM curricula is badly overcrowded (and lab classes have an absolute maximum).

    Ultimately, it's not rocket science. Higher education is a low priority in federal and in state budgets, and as a result college is more expensive, less accessible, takes more time, and provides less.

    I put college on hold for a while, and I'm picking up again when I move to Massachusetts later this year.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's been my observation that people who things should given out for free, believe that things are free, to begin with. They usually don't have a clue about how it costs money to do, everything.
    That's nice. What about the folks who believe education should be free to the student, and who are crystal clear that it still has to be paid for? Instead of dealing with abstractions, how about dealing with positions of actual posts which don't fit your preconceptions?
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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