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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone needs a college education today...there are no more decent labor jobs for HS graduates...so now a 4 yr college degree is like a HS diploma because most everyone gets one now...so now to stand out you have to have a masters or be trained in something specific...like accting....how many more lawyers can the USA support gahhh....
    I got to wondering about that. It used to be that having a bachelor's degree was a big deal, now it seems like everyone has one. Seems the figure is just over 30%.

    Over 30 Percent of Americans Now Hold a Bachelor's Degree

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    The proportion of Americans with college degrees has reached a new high 30.4 percent of the U.S. population over the age of 25 has at least a bachelor's degree, according to data released by the U.S. Census Bureau. In 2001, there were 26.4 percent in this age group with this level of education.
    Which raises the questions: What is that other 70% doing? How many of the 30% are out of work? and, of course, how many lawyers do we need? (but you already asked that one).
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    It is absurd to charge people for education. It's a totally ridiculous policy on every level. The more people who get educated, the better our economy will do. That is a benefit to all of us, not just the person that gets the education, so all of us need to chip in. For somebody not to go to college because they can't afford it is just economic waste. Virtually every other first world country has figured this out...
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It is absurd to charge people for education. It's a totally ridiculous policy on every level. The more people who get educated, the better our economy will do. That is a benefit to all of us, not just the person that gets the education, so all of us need to chip in. For somebody not to go to college because they can't afford it is just economic waste. Virtually every other first world country has figured this out...
    Several years ago, my daughter, then maybe 9 or so, made a comment that things like apples should be free. My son that is 2 years older, actually said to her "that is stupid, someone picks the apples, do you think they would pick apples to give them away for free? Would you go out there and do that?"

    So an at the time 11 year old got what it seem so many others don't. Free education? Who's paying for the buildings, who's paying for the supplies, the power and water for the facility, who is paying for those that teach? Yes, a socialist fantasy land.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - I agree here. For some certification testing I don't think that a degree shoudl necessarily be required.

    But - just to clarify my issue with Liberal Arts nd other such 'light weight' degrees . . . the problem is that they're not focused. You'll learn a lot - and some of the knowledge can be very useful, sure. . . but it doesn't prepare you for anything except to be a jack of all trades. Degree Requirements | Bachelor of Arts in Liberal Studies

    Looking at that - the degree requirements to get the degree at my university: it's like the core-cirriculum extended out over 4 years. It's not a degree - it's just being a 4-year freshman. . . this was designed to satisfy the belief that 'any degree is better than nothing'
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Free education? Who's paying for the buildings, who's paying for the supplies, the power and water for the facility, who is paying for those that teach?
    Oh come on. Being condescending about how stupid a position you obviously know the other guy isn't taking is just sad. Obviously I am contending that we should pay for it collectively rather than individually. As I said "all of us need to chip in". You knew that, so what impact do you think it has when you pretend that you didn't understand that?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It is absurd to charge people for education. It's a totally ridiculous policy on every level. The more people who get educated, the better our economy will do. That is a benefit to all of us, not just the person that gets the education, so all of us need to chip in. For somebody not to go to college because they can't afford it is just economic waste. Virtually every other first world country has figured this out...
    Not necessarily. If everyone has a degree, there will be no one to dig the ditches. There's no way that can be good for the economy, nor for our society as a whole.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It is absurd to charge people for education. It's a totally ridiculous policy on every level. The more people who get educated, the better our economy will do. That is a benefit to all of us, not just the person that gets the education, so all of us need to chip in. For somebody not to go to college because they can't afford it is just economic waste. Virtually every other first world country has figured this out...
    if everyone was properly educated, the crooks on wall street, madison ave, congress, etc. would be looking for jobs. It is unfettered ignorance that allows the skimmers and scammers to prosper.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Oh come on. Being condescending about how stupid a position you obviously know the other guy isn't taking is just sad. Obviously I am contending that we should pay for it collectively rather than individually. As I said "all of us need to chip in". You knew that, so what impact do you think it has when you pretend that you didn't understand that?
    You can move the goal posts to wherever you want, it doesn't change the fact that you said it is absurd to charge people for education. Meaning you obviously support free education. Meaning you want others to take care of the 'needs' of others (when in reality a college education is not a 'need'). Once again removing personal responsibility and the drive to 'work for what you want in life' from the equation. Like I said, a socialist fantasy world.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You can move the goal posts to wherever you want, it doesn't change the fact that you said it is absurd to charge people for education. Meaning you obviously support free education. Meaning you want others to take care of the 'needs' of others (when in reality a college education is not a 'need'). Once again removing personal responsibility and the drive to 'work for what you want in life' from the equation. Like I said, a socialist fantasy world.
    Again- we all benefit from people getting an education, not just the person that gets the education. You're the one looking for something for nothing. You want to benefit from other people's education without chipping in.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not necessarily. If everyone has a degree, there will be no one to dig the ditches. There's no way that can be good for the economy, nor for our society as a whole.
    That's what we need a guest worker program for- to fill in the jobs we leave behind.
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