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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone needs a college education today...there are no more decent labor jobs for HS graduates...so now a 4 yr college degree is like a HS diploma because most everyone gets one now...so now to stand out you have to have a masters or be trained in something specific...like accting....how many more lawyers can the USA support gahhh....
    If that's the case, it's just one more proof that American high schools need a serious overhaul, which clearly they do.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

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    "No one told me that." Did you not learn such basic things as to figure out total cost and payments in high school? Good grief, take some responsibility for your own choices.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

    I think maybe its time to quit promoting the idea that everyone should go to college.The only thing this idea does is increase the number of people with useless degree and devalues lower educational degrees. I would support legally requiring colleges to inform students what their future job perspectives would be in the degree they are going to college for, what that field's starting pay is and how many years it would take paying back those loan. If students realize that they have a snowballs change in hell getting into a certain field or that degree pays barely above what a non-college job pays then they won't waste their money or in some cases our money getting a useless degree. Selling a useless degree is no different than selling a fraudulent product.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    So it's another case of employers exploiting systemic vulnerabilities of workers in order to get workers to pay for something from which the employers are the prime beneficiaries. In case you missed it, that was the point being made.



    Not the point. Call back if you can manage to focus on the point being made, instead of wandering off into tangents.



    Since nothing in your post addresses my point at all, yes, actually, you are.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    education over the course of time has transcended from a commodity that only the wealthy and powerful in society can afford to the (in president obama's words) "great equalizer" but the current trend would say other wise, the prize of having a good college education makes the body go numb. the greatest asset in the global market today (a good education) is being sold in the united states at prices which the average earner can not afford comfortably. this is a great contrast to Asia and in my opinion thus the reason for the sore in the Asian standard of living and development.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/bu...EUB9uA5C7RvZyw



    "No one told me that." Did you not learn such basic things as to figure out total cost and payments in high school? Good grief, take some responsibility for your own choices.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]
    The federal government requires recipients of financial aid to complete a personal finance brief as a condition of Pell Grants and Stanford Loans, and this is an example of why.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would support legally requiring colleges to inform students what their future job perspectives would be in the degree they are going to college for, what that field's starting pay is and how many years it would take paying back those loan.
    This information is available to online. The Occupational Outlook Handbook provides such data. Moreover, if one wants to analyze what's actually happening, Schedules A-8, A-13, A-14, and B-1 through B-9 on the monthly Employment Situation reports are useful. In addition, a variety of loan calculators is available online.

    Having said that, a combination of initiative, ability to identify and understand trends, and literacy is necessary for students--or any individual for that matter--to access and utilize such information. In my opinion, it would be a good idea for the Academic Advising offices, or related offices that provide guidance to students regarding major selection, to introduce students to such information. In the longer-run, providing useful information to students could enhance the value added by the institutions of higher education that provide such information.

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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is the only value of a college education monetary?
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If that's the case, it's just one more proof that American high schools need a serious overhaul, which clearly they do.
    I certainly agree with this...100%. High School should graduate folks "job ready" for the new economic environment.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I certainly agree with this...100%. High School should graduate folks "job ready" for the new economic environment.
    They used to, until they started passing kids who couldn't read because they don't dare make them feel bad.
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    Re: A Generation Hobbled by the Soaring Cost of College

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The federal government requires recipients of financial aid to complete a personal finance brief as a condition of Pell Grants and Stanford Loans, and this is an example of why.
    When I went to grad school there was a mandatory meeting with a financial aid officer who reviewed all my loans and told me exactly what my monthly payments would be based on then-current interest rates. Every school should do that, if they don't already.
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