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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

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    And that's the whole point of civil disobedience.
    Bingo. Civil Rights protesters broke the law a lot in the 60s. This is why Martin Luther King got arrested on more than one occasion.

    So yes, it's illegal. But it's a tactic.


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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

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    And that's the whole point of civil disobedience.
    There are still laws. I can protest abortion, but I can't block people from going into a Planned Parenthood clinic. We can exercise civil disobedience but there are still laws surrounding what we can and cannot do. I don't know the full story here, and as I said if she was arrested for simply filling out the form then that is wrong. However, if she was violating laws and disturbing the peace somehow then she should be arrested after refusing to leave. The article says they refused to leave the government office after they were asked to, which to me suggests that something more than just civil disobedience is going on.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Bingo. Civil Rights protesters broke the law a lot in the 60s. This is why Martin Luther King got arrested on more than one occasion.

    So yes, it's illegal. But it's a tactic.
    Illegal =/= wrong. If the law refuses to grant people their rights then the people are not doing anything wrong by breaking that law.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    There are still laws. I can protest abortion, but I can't block people from going into a Planned Parenthood clinic. We can exercise civil disobedience but there are still laws surrounding what we can and cannot do. I don't know the full story here, and as I said if she was arrested for simply filling out the form then that is wrong. However, if she was violating laws and disturbing the peace somehow then she should be arrested after refusing to leave. The article says they refused to leave the government office after they were asked to, which to me suggests that something more than just civil disobedience is going on.
    Civil disobedience is by definition about breaking laws, your not being civilly disobedient if your not breaking civil laws.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, you said heteros have this right.

    We don't.

    Therefore it's not an issue of equality.
    You do have the right to marry the person you love if that person is of the opposite gender. We do not have that right because we love (in the marital sense) people of the same gender so yes there is a definite civil rights issue. You know the difference between loving just anyone and loving someone you would marry. I know you are smarter than the argument and word twisting you are doing.
    If I thought you were stupid and not just playing childish word games I would not have even responded. It would be nice to have an actual debate with people rather than doing word puzzles.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, but I don't think it's unconstitutional for a state to define marriage in regards to gender.

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    Eh ya know we disagree on that. We shall see where it winds up

    Any hows this girl does think she is protesting an un-Constitutional law.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

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    Civil disobedience is by definition about breaking laws, your not being civilly disobedient if your not breaking civil laws.
    So, is it ok for her to refuse to move from the line and preventing others from filing for marriage licenses? Again, I don't know the full story and I don't think the article is very clear on what really happened. She can civilly disobey so long as she isn't disrupting others access to public areas unless there is some law that I don't know about. I wonder what the police report says.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, but he'll have to consummate the marriage.
    He might enjoy that.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    From another article I think is duscissing the same incident.
    Mary Jamis, 52, of Mocksville, and a heterosexual friend who joined the protest, Mary Lea Bradford of Winston-Salem, were arrested after they blocked the entrance to the marriage license office and refused to leave more than 30 minutes after closing time.

    A county administrator tried to talk the women into leaving and avoiding arrest, but the two insisted they would stay unless Jamis was issued a marriage license for her and her partner, Starr Johnson, 48.

    A half dozen female officers then crowded around Jamis and Bradford, who were seated. The officers asked them to stand, handcuffed them and led them out a side door and into a van to be booked at the county sheriff's department across the street.

    They were charged with second-degree trespass, a low-level misdemeanor, and released without bond, authorities said.
    Lesbian Seeking Marriage License Arrested in NC - ABC News
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    With your OP you lied about why this woman was arrested. She was arrested for refusing to leave a government office, she was not arrested for requesting a same-sex marriage license. Having set the theme of your thread as lies and deception yourself, this is all you will receive.

    If you don't like silly games, I suggest you demonstrate an ounce of integrity and/or honesty the next time you make an OP.
    The wording of the title as her intent was indeed to fill out a form, receive a license, and not leave until she was able to or was removed forcibly, thus the title is accurate for that reason.

    Nice try though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So, to address your post:
    I did not say people do not have the right to marry, and you knowingly lie when you suggest otherwise. It was argued that heteros can marry anyone we love. We can not. There are a number of restrictions heteros have to abide by, the sex of a spouse being just one of them. Maybe we should allow SSM, but that doesn't mean anyone is under any more or less restriction than anyone else.
    You realize the terminology of the word right is not strictly legal, correct?

    Given that the thrust of the article is about civil rights, which may or may not be recognized by law, I resubmit my question and hopefully you will actually understand it this time.

    People don't have a right to marry?

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