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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not a disadvantage and you do not understand evolution(hint: marriage is not an evolutionary concept).
    There are no evolutionary concepts. Evolution has no foresight, but I would argue that marriage itself is an evolutionary natural progesssion for intelligent beings. Would you disagree?

    There is an advantage to marriage, and if not a complete genetic component then why and how would you suggest that homosexual marriage was somehow better? if it is not better, then it is equal, then please define how they are equal? if not equal, then all the people that have a beef with gay marriage actually have a beef with gay marrie don't they?


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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

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    Your arguing about same sex parenting not same sex marriage but ok. Every peer reviewed study on same sex parenting shows no negative impact on children. I have also never seen any evidence that there is some advantage to both parents being genetically related to their child.
    first off there is no quality studies on SS parenting, the science is in its infancy.. Secondly, would you say that naturally a genetic bond to a child is superior to that of a non-genetic bond?


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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    There are no evolutionary concepts. Evolution has no foresight, but I would argue that marriage itself is an evolutionary natural progesssion for intelligent beings. Would you disagree?
    I would disagree. Marriage is a social contruct and does not in itself lead to higher chances of passing on genes.

    There is an advantage to marriage, and if not a complete genetic component then why and how would you suggest that homosexual marriage was somehow better? if it is not better, then it is equal, then please define how they are equal? if not equal, then all the people that have a beef with gay marriage actually have a beef with gay marrie don't they?


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    I do not claim SSM is better than strait marriage. Any othe straw men I can kill off for you?
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    first off there is no quality studies on SS parenting, the science is in its infancy.. Secondly, would you say that naturally a genetic bond to a child is superior to that of a non-genetic bond?


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    So you are saying there is no proof that SS couples are inferior in raising children? This is the one thing you ahve gotten right today.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    first off there is no quality studies on SS parenting, the science is in its infancy.. Secondly, would you say that naturally a genetic bond to a child is superior to that of a non-genetic bond?


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    Of course there are quality studies on the subject.

    And I would say that neither are superior. All a kid needs is loving parents who can dedicate their time to raising a child.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would be wrong on every level. All that gay people need to show is that SSM bans violate their constitutional protections. Gay familes are not inerantly disfunctional.
    Redress really? How do gay people show that they are being violated? Even if they managed too legally as with other states, does it really change the level of acceptance? Do people sit down and say oh yeah crap the politicians and judges got it right?


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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would disagree. Marriage is a social contruct and does not in itself lead to higher chances of passing on genes.


    all I can think about is that idiot feminist wanna-be-just-like-my-professor yelling at me in class that GENDER IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!!!


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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    All a kid needs is loving parents who can dedicate their time to raising a child.
    What is available to us seems to indicate (as I recall) that the general best provision is two biological parents plus a grandparent.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Redress really? How do gay people show that they are being violated?
    I am assuming you did not mean that as it reads. Please read the court cases Perry v Schwarzenegger and Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. United States Department of Health and Human Services. Not only is the claim made, but it stood up to legal examination.

    Even if they managed too legally as with other states, does it really change the level of acceptance? Do people sit down and say oh yeah crap the politicians and judges got it right?


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    No one is trying to legislate social acceptance. What gays are trying to do is gain legal acceptance. In that case, yes, it does change the level of acceptance.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would disagree. Marriage is a social contruct and does not in itself lead to higher chances of passing on genes.



    I do not claim SSM is better than strait marriage. Any othe straw men I can kill off for you?
    Just because it's a social construct does not disqualify it as an evolutionary result.. Polygammy would require that the state change a great deal in order to accomodate, so too does gay marriage. Other than the degree of what we need to accomodate for, why exclude one over the other? Other that what the state has to change or make provisions for, why fundamnetally should we see one as better than the other?


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