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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've said it 100 times man: SSM is about gays trying to get society to validate their identity as gays through acceptance.
    Absolutely correct

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The real problem that no one wants to talk about is the fact that the gay efficacy groups don't only want access to marriage and every other "advantage" of being heterosexual, they want the world to like and accept them also. Unfortunately for them, no matter how much money gays have or how good at paperwork they are, there are always going to be people that disapprove of homos
    Of course most gay people want to be accepted. And yes of course there are always going to be some people who disprove of homosexuality. What I fail to see is how its a bad thing to want to be accepted or how this relates to being treated equally under the law.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've said it 100 times man: SSM is about gays trying to get society to validate their identity as gays through acceptance.
    No its about equality under the law.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not tracking the square/triangle thing
    Well possibly because you read "rectangle" as "triangle". That may be your first issue.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    No its about equality under the law.
    Maybe up until now it's been considered as promoting the general welfare.
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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe up until now it's been considered as promoting the general welfare.
    What do you mean by that?

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The real problem that no one wants to talk about is the fact that the gay efficacy groups don't only want access to marriage and every other "advantage" of being heterosexual, they want the world to like and accept them also. Unfortunately for them, no matter how much money gays have or how good at paperwork they are, there are always going to be people that disapprove of homos
    They can want that as much as they'd like and they can fight for that through societal means all they want...but you can't legislate "liking" or "accepting".

    However, whether or not their intent or hope is for the world to like and accept them, that's irrelevant to whether or not they should be constitutionally protected. Similarly, just because you may not like or accept them doesn't mean they should be denied rights that they may constitutionaly be deserving of.

    Also, because there will be some people who "disapprove of homo's" is irrelevant. There's people who "disapprove of the negros". They're widely laughed at, insulted, and actually viewed by the larger portion of society as the thing that is bad and worthy of disapproval rather than blacks. Within the next 20 years a similar mentality will likely be common within society in terms of those who "disapprove of homos". That odesn't have anything to do with law, that has to do with culture and society and the realities of the younger generation that doesn't harbor the same disgust, horror, and disdain by and large that the older generation does.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've said it 100 times man: SSM is about gays trying to get society to validate their identity as gays through acceptance.
    Absolutely true imho.

    However that goal is absolutely irrelevant to the worth of the argument of whther or not it's constitutionally sound.

    Westboro's goal, imho, is to piss people off to the point where they get attacked and can sue them for cash....that ****ty reasoning for their stanec that their speech is protected by the 1st amendment is relatively irrelevant to whether or not their speech is protected by the 1st amendment.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Since supporters of SSM so easily (willingly and eagerly) compromised their values for political expediency, is it REALLY too much to ask if they give us all the same courtesy and allow ALL of our opinions and positions time to 'evolve'? I mean...come on...its not like they havent already completely abandoned everything even REMOTELY resembling integrity already. Surely someday this may be something we all want to exploit for personal or political gain for all of us and we may then decide to use it when it best suits our needs too. Seems rather disingenuous to all of a sudden pretend this actually 'matters'.

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    Re: Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    No its about equality under the law.
    Let me just agree here and now that gays should be able to legally "marry" in the exact same "marriage" institution as heteros; it's still about acceptance and validation, basic needs every human desires. The whole 'equality' thing is thus a tool to achieve that end.
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